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Why open carry?

Discussion in 'Handguns' started by Somnophore, Jul 11, 2012.

  1. Somnophore

    Somnophore Loaded Pockets

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    I agree with you but most countries would say that if you're rights infringe other peoples rights to live free from fear then they are wrong.
     
  2. T.H.Cone

    T.H.Cone I am senor Fluffy, hear me roar

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    While your statement isn't clear on whether you feel this way or not, and my statement isn't directed at you per se, Somnophore, I had to laugh when I read this. I didn't realize that living free from fear was one our God given rights as free men.
     
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  3. paaiyan

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    Oklahoma will have open carry in November, with a license. I may open carry occasionally, but for me it's about a few things. One, comfort. Concealing in the heat of Oklahoma summers is very uncomfortable. Just being able to use an OWB holster and not have to worry about people seeing the bulge or bottom of the holster would be a huge relief. Two, accidental exposure. As it is right now, if I bend down to pick something up and my gun becomes accidentally exposed it's technically a crime. Open carry would get rid of that nasty business so I don't have to be so paranoid about my shirt riding up. Three, why not open carry? Because I can is a perfectly valid reason to me.
     
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  4. Somnophore

    Somnophore Loaded Pockets

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    Well it's basically an extension of other arguments on rights infringing rights, you have freedom of speech in the USA but if you using harassing or agressive language you can be charged with an offence as you are infringing peoples rights to not feel harassed.

    In the UK to cause fear or harassment is a public order offence.

    Personally I feel that the reason the UK has had its citizens rights eroded, apart from not having a codified constitution is that people didn't stand up for those rights and they were slowly eroded.

    I think making guns something that's commonplace is the best way to retain those rights.

    Saying that I wouldn't open carry if I lived in the USA as I'd prefer the tactical advantage plus wouldn't want to be a potential target. Unless I lived out in the sticks that is.

    Shot my uncle in laws 10mm glock when I was out there, man that's a nice bit of kit. If only I lived in a country where I could own one, can't really complain though I could be starving in Africa, and there's no way we are ever getting pistols back in any form in the UK the public are very anti gun, Scotland are even trying to ban air rifles.
     
  5. BlueTrain

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    Did someone here use "rural lifestyle" and "social skills" in the same sentence?

    I personally don't have a problem with the whole idea except that I have found armed individuals to be arrogant and anything but polite.
     
  6. Ktowngunner
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    Alot of states (mine included) have an open carry law not because they expect you to strap on a drop leg holster and go to the movies but so that if you accidently show it while doing something (reaching for an item high on a shelf) you won’t be prosecuted. While I fully support gun rights and carry rights; I also believe that open carry can be detrimental to the cause depending on where you are. Some places won’t bat an eye, in others you’re almost rubbing it in people’s faces; and that isn’t the most diplomatic approach to take and won’t help us win over any voters to change things!

    I grew up on a farm and open carried there and still do while on others property in the country or woods, but while I’m “in town” I keep it concealed. Like others have said I like to keep a low profile and not draw attention to myself, and an open carry definitely draws all kinds of attention. You also lose a tactical advantage… not to mention most people (not all) haven’t been through retention training and definitely don’t carry in a level 3 holster so you’re opening up to the possibility of someone taking it from you. To me, and this is just my personal opinion , I can’t see why anyone would choose to carry openly.
     
  7. P35

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    As an Okla. permit holder I can't wait. I will probably never open carry beyond walking to the mailbox, or other mundane tasks around my house. Not having to be so paranoid about accidental exposure will be a great relief as well. I don't have a problem with open carry for those who want to, I prefer the stealth approach for myself.
     
  8. Somnophore

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    Being descreet doesn't help much in the long run though, you hve a good thing with the NRA lobbying for 2nd amendment rights but in the UK year back we could own assault rifles and hand gun with a licence although no carry laws.

    Its wasn't protected or lobbied for, then there was a guy who went on a rampage with an assault rifle in the 70s, so the government knee jerk banned assault rifles, then in the 90s a guy walked into a Scottish school and killed kids and teachers with a pistol, so the government knee jerk banned pistols. Because the gun lobby in the UK was non existent and it was easy for the government to pander to knee jerk opinions of the public.
     
  9. Somnophore

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    This of you who think this can't happen in the states because of the 2nd amendment, just look at NYC and other places where guns are already restricted, which I would say is arguably unconstitutional.
     
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  10. shmook

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    It was the 80's, 1986 to be precise. Assault rifles aren't banned, but full auto/semi auto is (except .22lr, semi is allowed there, along with semi auto shotguns). That just leaves straight pull/single shot, but technically, assault rifles aren't banned. Same with pistols, technically they aren't banned either, it was 'short barrelled rifles'. You can buy and use pistols now, but they must be over a certain length (600mm), which leaves longer barrels, and a permanent fixed counterweight on the rear.

    Regular pistols are allowed too in special cases, such as humane dispatch for slaughtermen, some hunters :)
     
  11. Somnophore

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    Yeah I am aware or the exceptions I have a friend who has a .22 pistol for humane dispatch specialist pest control.

    But the principle stands, no gun lobby + no codified constitutional rights = rights easily eroded at the slightest political whim.

    PS I've just Wikipedia'd it, was 1987 not 86, I was not even 3 at the time so obviously don't remember it.
     
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  12. Tacticool1

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    Because some people don't have any other option. Then u have some that refuse to pay for a right we all should have if we are able to buy a firearm legally. GO ARIZONA......NO CCW NEEDED. If we are able to legally and I stress the word LEGALLY, them we obviously are legit in our backgrounds and shouldn't have to pay an outragious fee to get a permit. Just another money sucking way our Uncle Sam gets us to pay ridiculous amts of money for a process that doesn't take long to check on if done through FBI NICS which is a phone call away.

    There are the obvious law enforcement ups and downs to having a permit and I understand that being a LEO. However we always ask the question anyways (Do you or are there any weapons on you or in this vehicle).

    The had guys aren't gonna open carry for anything so,the public and law abiding citizen has to pay to have the privilege? BULL-HONKY-SHMU!!!!!



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  13. shmook

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    I got 1986 from the Internet, sorry, and didn't mean to come across as patronising :)
     
  14. Somnophore

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    It's ok, I know about UK gun law I'm a SGC holder myself and am on shooting forums etc and a
    Lot of guys I shoot with often bemoan having to give up their 9mm pistols etc after dunblane.

    I'd move to the states in a heartbeat but immigration would be hard although I could apply for an F4 family sponsored visa via my brother, but my misses doesn't want to move abroad.
     
  15. Firepoint

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    Ha ha, Sorry for your luck. I guess every group has its share of good and bad people.

    I've met a lot more people that are arrogant, impolite and rude on the Internet than I have at the gun range or hunting.
     
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  16. AK Adventurer

    AK Adventurer Ice, Ice, Tigre

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    I'm gonna skip commenting on the political turn this thread has taken, or else it'll take me 3 days to ype my response... ;-) Back to a directly applied why you would want to; its a damned sight more comfortable for one thing. And convenient; you can put your holster in better places to work/move comfortably. 99% of all concealed carry methods are very inhibiting to how you move, sit, what you wear etc... Open carry is just plain physically easier.

    G.
     
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  17. BlueTrain

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    I take your point, Mr. Firepoint. I suspect it has something to do with being anonymous.

    To Mr. AK Adventurer, I think you are exaggerating to make a point. But I will give you the benefit of the doubt and admit that some forms of carry, concealed or not, are uncomfortable after a while, others uncomfortable or inconvenient in certain positions or when doing certain things. If fact, some carry methods, while not necessarily any of those, make an easy draw difficult, unless it is a hideaway or backup gun. I put pocket carry in this category. Ever try a draw from a pocket in a slouched, sitting position, pretty much the way I'm sitting now. There are other, rather more bizarre carry methods that no one talks about anymore but I suspect just about everything has been tried out by now. I just don't think open carry is necessarily more comfortable. It may not even be more accessible.
     
  18. mrlysle

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    Amen brother! BTW, how's the hand doing?
     
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  19. BlueTrain

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    What about laws that keep you doing something so others will feel safer?
     
  20. HellBrentForLeather

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    Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
     
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