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Who EDCs portable USB power?

Discussion in 'Electronic Devices' started by CasperEDC, Jan 24, 2013.

  1. snowkiwi
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    snowkiwi EDC Junkiwi

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    I love mine too. I recently last year got another. The guide 10 plus. I rotate them both for charging off my nomad 7 solar charger that sits on my car dashboard and charges during the day while I'm working. I use lots of AA hand held test gear. So this works well for me.


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  2. sarge1967

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    I just ordered a Poweradd Apollo 2 10,000 mAh solar power pack. It is the size of my phone and with the solar panel that will help keep it topped off.
     
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    Has anyone seen this little beauty . I've been looking into it for a couple months now and couldn't resist so I pulled the handle just now and bought one. [​IMG]
    It's called solar paper on kickstarter



    Basically you magnetically attach up to 5extra solar panels to a controller/solar panel for total of 6panels and 15W (max, in good sunlight )

    From memory the controller is about 10mm thick at the top with a voltage/current LCD and 2 USB outlets (upto 2amp charge rate)
    with the panel part and each attachable panel only 1.5mm thick and each offering 2.5watt max per panel.

    It will auto reconnect to device after sun goes behind a cloud. Most smart devices often need a minimum current / or power input before they will charge - drop below that threshold and they will not charge and won't restart after power increases past threshold again. Usually you need to inline a storage buffer like I do with my nomad 7 solar into a guide 10 battery pack into my iPad. No need with this unit apparently just charge phone directly from solar, ie less losses.

    BTW If you interested get in quick. it only has about a half day left before they end the campaign. Ends about end of today - 20th August



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    This look indeed very neat. Will surely keep a look out, just incase you decide to post more about it in your personal thread.
     
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    I just got an Anker Astro E5 a couple of days ago. I haven't had the chance to use it yet.
     
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    I have a big 10 000 miliamps/hour battery, its great and hold its charge for a long time

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    Yeah I do, got it from Amazon. I think it's 22500mA I get a couple of charges for phone and one and a bit for my iPad.
     
  8. snowkiwi
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    This may interest some wanting to charge a laptop on the go
    [​IMG]

    It's a portable variable output DC power supply
    It takes these high drain 18650 rechargeables

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    And examples of charging and outputs are
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    Google
    85W Emergency Portable 18650 Battery Mobile phone Power Bank


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    I've been travelling for almost 2 weeks and my Xiaomi 16000 mAh unit is working out very well.
     
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    Which is why I'm on a zero-sugar / Low-Carbs diet ;) OH! The BAGS! D'OH! :rofl:
     
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    Going to spend 1 week in the woods without a Power outlet.
    I have 2 banks at 16000 mah, and a 15 watt solar panel. Gonna be fun!
     
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    Wow that's enough to power my house!
     
  13. snowkiwi
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    :)


    I'm not sure if I would be buying this because I haven't read any claims on how much energy it gives from one set of batteries - no Ah ratings. All they have is blurry pic of an inline USB power meter, displaying about 96725 mAh at almost 5VDC. And maybe expect us to believe it's the USB output from this device. Hmm if my maths is correct that's about 500Watt hours!!! Yeah right! :nah_disagree:

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    483.625 Watts, to be precise ;) I can't see how such a small stack of rechargeable batteries could possibly supply that high a wattage, either. Granted, there are ways of increasing amperage at the expense of voltage, and vice-verse, but not increasing both at the same time.

    (Amps times Volts equals Watts, for those who don't know basic electrical maths theory :D )
     
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    Exactly! There is no way on this earth that unit could produce almost 500Whrs of energy.

    They are very careful not to state the output energy, they just mention the units capacity = upto 24,000mAh, without mentioning what the voltage at that amperage is or whether that's at the batteries or at the output.
    Then they show a pic of a power meter reading almost 100,000 mAh :(

    Isn't advertising a wonderful thing :nah_disagree:



    As Roger above said
    Power = Watts = amps x volts.


    Also I'm sure many of you here know the following but it crystallises my rusty 30 yo memory in writing it down, so humour me :)

    Max-power = maximum current a device (battery or electrical source) can deliver in a short circuit x its voltage. This is limited by the devices design, ( resistance (load and internal ), age, charge level, temp etc)


    Capacity = Amp Hrs (Ah) usually listed on device or determined by testing current delivered from a device over a period of time eg 2100mA over 1 hr for AA eneloop theoretically = 2.1Ah
    This is not a measure of energy or power.

    Energy = Watt Hrs (Wh), Power delivered for a specified time = volts x AmpHrs
    the voltage will drop off as the battery discharges. However for most the voltage drop off isn't too steep. So Volts x Ah is fairly accurate for energy

    Edit: I found this graph of how voltage drops off over time as the batteries discharge .

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    Non rechargeable batteries usually have a steeper discharge curve ie the voltage drops off more as the battery dies.
    The dotted lines below are non rechargeable batteries.
    [​IMG]Zinc carbon. = old single use AA, C, D batteries
    Zinc manganese dioxide =,Single use Alkaline


    Edit 2: last thing
    a "cell" produces a set voltage depending on its chemistry. Eg about 1.2V for a NiMH cell.
    a "battery" is made up of at least 2 cells. Eg a 9volt old zinc carbon battery is made up of six 1.5 volt cells.

    But we call cells "batteries" nowadays so who cares really. :)


    Ok if you are still awake thanks for humouring me :D
    Any electricians, engineers, Boffins out there let me know if I need to take a hammer to my memory will ya :p


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    Nope; your analysis looks good to me (Licenced UK Radio Amateur for thirty years, G1LIW); I would add that as portable battery storage capacity has increased with a roughly corresponding decrease in physical volume (traditional Lead-Acids and Ni-cads vs the current crop of Li-Po & Li-ion), it has become increasingly difficult to decide on which back-up battery tech to go with: It seems as if every six months or so, a new twist on this old problem crops up. As a result, I am VERY leery of claims of high storage versus small size - TANSTAAFL is the very byword of caution in this regard.

    Because of the problem in identifying reliable back-up power tech, my personal preference for expensive or mission-critical equipment is to shop locally; I've found it safer, more reliable, and a LOT easier on the long-term wallet. Local sources are subject to reliable advertising regulation, local sales laws, and tend, as a result, to be much easier to deal with, and simplicity and reliability are good attributes I have a great deal of time for ;) Thus, I use larger chains or places I've dealt with before, for my essential tech purchases :D

    By way of example, my current power bank (fitted with Li-ion cells) was bought from Mobile Fun here in the UK (I've bought a LOT of stuff from them over the last ten-plus years), is branded Kondor, and is rated to 10.4Ah, with two USB output sockets, one rated to 2.1A, the other for 1.0A. It's four years old and due for replacement soon, but still good kit (so much so that it's always in my EDC kit). It's also UNDER-stated on the wattage; my maths works out the Wh at roughly 52 (10.4A x 5Vdc = 52 Wh), but the plate on the back says 38Wh - that speaks to caution by the manufacturer, which I LIKE :bounce: (suggests responsibility).

    Needless to say, I'm happy with the device ;)
     
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    It's a sad sign of the times, in almost every industry (except maybe mil spec).
    They seem to list every system at maximum theoretical on-a-good-day (or in their dreams) 100% capacity ratings. Who needs safety margins.
    Or under promise, over deliver ethos.
    BTW My background in days of yore, was Nav systems (inertial not radio)

    Good you found a legit under rated power bank.


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  18. RogerStenning

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    QFT, verily :D

    Air or sea, or both?

    So am I - it's kept me on-comms very nicely these last few years :bounce: However, it's beginning to show signs of age, and it's not holding the charge quite as well as it used to; nothing major, but you get to notice these things when you use something regularly (and trust me, big screen smartphones EAT batteries for breakfast, lunch, dinner, and not only that, they then come back for midnight snacks as well!).

    The nice thing is that the same manufacturer now makes a mahoosive PB that's twice the size of my current one, physically, and holds three times the capacity - only snag is that the thing won't fit in my current EDC setup :eek: Still, I have time to look for a suitable and decent replacement, so no panic just yet ;)
     
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    I've got a couple of portable power systems of no real worth. My little Anker 2nd Gen Astro 6400mAh is about the best. and it only charges my iPad once.

    Air. RNZAF
    Huge Inertial Nav units the size of a microwave oven, with a main gyro the size of a football. Now the same fits on a chip in every cell phone.


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    Wow, I remember seeing an old Right Air Farce - I mean Royal Air Force :giggle: ( oops, did I say that out loud?) unit back in the early 90s on a work-related visit to (an undisclosed) station, wondered what this great honking thing was they were hauling out of the aircraft was, asked, and got told, surprisingly! :censored: things are well heavy too, needed some kind of powered lifting thing on wheels to get it down without dropping it!

    Amazing to think that those, INS, VOR, DME, and TACAN, ruled the air navigation world until the advent of GPS! (even now, Naval INS are still used for certain applications!)

    Funny thing for me at the time was one of my colleagues, on hearing the exchange, asked me "Did you understand one word of that?" When I replied "Of course, I'm a Radio Amateur as well as an all-knowing, all seeing defender of the west!" he fell about laughing his backside off. Not sure if it was the defender comment or that I'm a Radio Amateur. I just sniffed the air (as you do), and moved on to get a coffee ;) Ah, memories :giggle:
     
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