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UK Police And "Tacticool" Gear :/

Discussion in 'General EDC Discussion' started by Defaulter, Jan 25, 2013.

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  1. Mitchellsfold

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    Straw poll. How many here get searched regularly? I've worked all over the UK, hitch hiked and used trains, planes, buses and cars. Attended sporting events, night clubs and bars. Only once. When I was 17. Cycling in a residential area with a bag on my back, no lights on my bike and in the very early hours - 2am. Otherwise never.


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  2. Fabregas485
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    I travel too and from work on the underground, and several times in the past few weeks they have stopped me and asked to do a search. I normally tell them after flashing my work id, that if they attempt to hold me there, they could be putting lifes at risk/ causing delays on the service.

    One time I was wearing my hi vis jacket, but had a backpack on so the logo was hidden on the back. They have appoached me and then backed away as soon as they see the front of me.

    There was another time where I had no id on me so rather than kick up a fuss, I just let them get on with it and wished them a nice day. They do it for our safety, so I have no way to justify wasting their time.
     
  3. wildborego

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    Sorry to anyone who is a LEO or has a LEO in the Family.

    I don't trust them or like them.
    I have been stopped and confronted many times. In the streets or even out in the woods. Fishing and Hunting.
    One officer told me because I look like trouble! Really???
    I have told one officer then you should have called your supervisor then!
    You they stop me because I look like a criminal or a typical minority. I had some of my white friends come out with me and see for themselves. They were shocked by what happened. Oh well! I can change a person's mind about something. I am straight with them. I'm playing a game nor am i taking it from them.
    The law is the law, even LEO's can be arrested and go to jail.
     
  4. blacmud8

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    Nope, never. Grew up in Brum, had a few run ins and even taken home once in a riot van (no offence committed or even accused, officer in a bad mood way overstepping his duty and trying to scare a few young teenagers), but I've never been searched.

    This made me chuckle.
     
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  5. Narcosynthesis

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    Living in Aberdeen I have yet to be properly searched by the police. I have been stopped by them a couple of times, but on each of those occasions there was an obvious reason why they wanted to speak to me, and on hearing my side of things were more than happy and let me on my way.
    I admittedly live in a fairly quiet area of town, and don't really see the police that often anyway - it could be a very different situation if I lived in other areas of the city.

    I have occasionally seen security when going to various different events or gigs - ranging from simple bag checks looking to catch people taking in their own alcohol to being run through a metal detector in glasgow on the way into a gig.
     
  6. Ludwell01

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    Never been stopped or searched. I have on a couple of occasions had to explain to a Police officer what their job was (or rather was not).

    Sometimes it is a combination of factors that get the police interested.
    Baseball-bat with sweat-pants, trainers and a baseball (police walk right past you)
    Baseball-bat with ripped jeans you're going to get asked questions.

    Is something you are doing (or not doing) bringing their attention?

    As an example:-
    a tactical bag on it's own is not going to be a problem - but perhaps isn't the norm for a 'student' aged male

    walking around at night on your own shouldn't be a problem - but perhaps isn't the norm for a 'student' aged male


    Put the two together and maybe to them you now look odd/out of place - being odd makes you suspicious - suspicious looking folk must be approached and questioned... they'll try to push your buttons to get a response to give them a valid reason to prove or disprove their hunch.

    It's worth noting that people who fall foul of the law often know their rights as they have had them explained by a solicitor.. law abiding folk generally don't have a clue so perhaps you are giving them more reason to keep pushing you as you discuss your rights and wave the leaflet?
     
  7. Hobbnob

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    I'm 19 and live in a big town in the UK as well. We have a lot of plain clothes officers around and a few uniformed leos doing patrols as well. I've been stopped twice by drugs dogs (false positive on both accounts) and a random stop search under the terrorism act once (false again lol). IMO the head down thing is only going to make things worse. I keep my head up and alert at all times, and I'll usually give a curt nod to the plainclothes officers when they walk by and receive the same in return. Sure some coppers are bent but it's not the case for the majority.
     
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    Only ever got searched crossing the border, both by US and Canadian customs. Not much choice there. I let them have their fun and never, ever let them think they're getting under my skin.

    One humorous (er, humourous) exchange I had with Canadian border officials

    Official: So, where will you be staying?
    Me: 401 Motor Inn in Burnaby.
    Official: You're staying in a motel??
    Me: Certainly. They're inexpensive, and I've stayed there before. I found them in the auto club guide.
    Official: Oh. [Sees I have a laptop.] So, is there anything inappropriate on your computer?
    Me: Innapropriate? Like what?
    Official: You know. Pornography.
    Me: Pornography? That's illegal? Because, if so, I can recommend a number of shops you can raid.
    Official: Um. Right.

    Sigh. I give law enforcement my respect and they just dribble it away into a kleenex...
     
  9. Mitchellsfold

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    Hobnob. Wise already!

    Non scientific survey suggests being searched away from venues/access control/borders is rare.

    Behaviour breeds behaviour. Eye contact, an easy manner and good communication skills can make any encounter more likely to succeed.

    I carry tacticool bags often. Wear black clothing frequently. Both in public urban and rural settings. I carry at least two knives.

    Head up. Be engaging. Embrace the state you live in and look beyond our borders to realise how severe and disrespectful authority can be elsewhere.

    The same people hassling you will be the ones rushing towards you when you call 911/112/999 etc.

    To the OP - All the best - don't give up your gear or your dress sense - ask for some peer feedback maybe from friends and others. Let us know how things go.....




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  10. Mitchellsfold

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    ..... Forgot to say, sometimes:-
    Section 60 Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 may be in force if the area has had recent problems...



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  11. faca

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    Hi LEO┬┤s are to service us and they are paid by us but they forget many times that.
    My way to face a police check is to be polite and cool with them you never know what kind of person is dressing a police uniform ;-)
    Anyway thanks to all good policemen that take care of us.
     
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  12. Jules

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    ...and that's where a stop and account turns to a stop and search. Defaulters - Google Betari's box.

    I have to say that this is interesting from my point of view. I'm an LEO in the UK, and have carried out more searches than I can count (previously trained new officers, stop and search is a learning objective they have to pass to finish probation).

    In my opinion - and this is formed from my own experience and the hundreds of debriefs I've carried out with new officers, although the legal element has to be there, a large portion of the outcome and treatment is down to attitude and actions of the member of public, both before, during and after the search. For example, if you display evasive and hostile behaviour when seen/spoken to by the police/customs/door security staff etc. you immediately arouse their suspicions and interest. If this, and relevant situation & legal powers are present and lead to a search, the attitude and reaction of the person will greatly affect the way the officer treats them.

    For example, in some of the areas in North London where street crime is high and subsequently so is stop and search, many of the younger people being searched get very agitated and aggressive (often getting in more trouble) others, who have presumably been searched before (including some known for serious gang activity) will remain calm and polite - they know they don't have anything to hide, aren't wanted etc. and police often end up having a laugh and a joke with them.

    My advice to anyone (admittedly normally "youth") getting searched is, as Hobbnob says, keep your head up, be polite and don't try to be evasive or hostile - you'll only arouse suspicion, when they may have only originally intended to do a stop and account - not a search.

    You do need to know your rights and complain when unfairly treated, but you can also avoid making yourself more interesting to the police through your own behaviour.
     
  13. Idaho Gunslinger

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    This rocks. You da man.
     
  14. JonM1911

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    Ah, with all of the USA's problems, I would NEVER live anywhere else. No offense to those who live in other countries. There are several places I'd like to visit in Europe, because I love the old small towns and architecture, but I'll never go there. I'm disarmed and left to fend for myself when the criminals have all the weapons. I mean seriously, UK cops don't even carry guns....I'm not scared, a gun isn't my only form of defense, but its second best, behind your mind. I can fight, 1-2 guys, any more than that and its not gonna happen. That's when the boomstick comes out. Guess I'll be stuck watching stuff on the travel channel. BTW, I wear Belleville Kiowa boots, Ranger hoodie with an American Flag and Infidel patch, etc. and I never have a problem. I can also carry whatever knife I choose, except for an auto which I can't carry in my state, and I carry a gun. Both are concealed though, so its not like cops would see those. I'm also either wearing my multicam patch ballcap or my BCM (gun manufacture) hat.
     
  15. JonM1911

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    So....asking why you're being randomly stopped and searched without probable cause OR reasonable suspicion is being "evasive and hostile"? Not being an jerk, just wondering. Here in the US, in order to detain someone (that's effectively what you're doing, if said person isn't free to leave whenever they want) you must have probable cause or reasonable suspicion that the person has, is in the process of, or is about to, commit a crime. Walking down the street doesn't really fit that. Its sad really. You all are stripped of your God given right to self defense, you're constantly monitored by surveillance systems, and you're randomly stopped and searched on the streets, and yet you still have a higher violent crime rate than the US.....
     
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    Just wanted to clear up that it's a myth that UK officers go around without guns. Several years back, officers in Britain were forced to carry all their firearms in lock boxes in the back of their vehicles. To access them, the officers had to radio a supervisor, report they were being shot at, and actually wait for permission to defend themselves. (A radio signal was sent to the specific police vehicle and the lock box was opened.) Fed up with this nonsense, the police officers in Britain rallied to have access to their weapons when they actually needed to defend themselves. They received a partial victory as they now could use their revolvers based on their own discretion. But their SMGs (Yes, not a typo) still had to remain locked up and only accessible after the radio signal was sent to it.

    Even before things changed in both America and the UK following 9/11, if you flew into the biggest airport in England you'd see police officers (not soldiers) walking around armed with H&K sub-machine guns. So much for the charming little myth that all or even most UK officers go around unarmed.
     
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    No myth (at least for mainland UK), the rank and file "Bobby's" aren't routinely armed. You've described the firearms unit which each force has to call on when needed.
     
  18. coolerking

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    I want one if them leaflets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    If they wanted to get really arsey with me, my leatherman is technically illegal with a locking blade! My bokers that I carry are all uk legal and I am pondering on buying the spyderco ukpk ;) .
    I regularly get pulled over by the police when on my way home from work. Usually it's, high powered car, male wearing black and here's my favourite, 'acting suspicious'! That's the general reason I get pulled.
    I have a large family and 80% of the family are currently serving or have served as a police officer. My dad retired 2 weeks ago and one of my aunties was the first female police officer that the particular force employed, I have an 'enhanced' respect for them and the job they do. However, some o the things that I get stopped for have been laughable! 'Luckily' for me, I look exactly like my dad and a lot of the time I get the, "are you related...oh I know your dad, off you pop"! Obviously that isn't all the time and I just get a producer which is a pain really but, it could be worse.
    I don't think I've ever been stop searched whilst walking, I've had the car searched a few times when I've been acting suspicious. As far as I know, the city I live in doesn't have an active stop&search policy but the MET do. Quite rightfully as well with the terror attacks that have taken place or been avoided over the past few years.
    I am terror threat awareness trained for my job, I do find myself looking out for certain things. I probably would find someone a little more suspicious carrying a brand new, cheap bag than an obviously used, expensive maxpedition bag.
    But I carry a maxpedition bag, how many people in uk society even know that them style of bags exist, they're 'out of the norm' therefore they stand out.
     
  19. JonM1911

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    I have to call incorrect on that. Their "armed response units" ok, but as of Sept. 2012 regular beat cops still weren't carrying guns, as 2 Manchester cops were shot (isn't that ironic) to death while responding to a call....UNARMED. This story just enforces my point. You keep your citizens and even your cops from owning or carrying guns, yet the criminals still have them. Then you all arrest one of your own SAS operators because he had a Glock handgun in his garage for family protection. Insane. Tell you what, he's welcome over here.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/sep/20/british-public-not-trust-armed-police
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/20/manchester-police-shootings-families-tribute
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/9669410/SAS-war-hero-jailed-after-betrayal.html
    Here's another SAS operator locked up in 2010.
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sas-hero-jailed-sergeant-sentenced-1169602
     
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    You seem to be looking for a fight here because our two countries laws differ. You give the impression of "my way is the best, everyone should do it the same".

    Our coppers aren't armed because they by and large do not need to be. The SAS chap was arrested because a law was broken. If you break a law in your country, the same thing happens.

    Citizens here can own guns too. Not certain pistols, but others are allowed. If I put myself to it, I can buy a Barrett in .50BMG, or a .22 semi auto, a wide choice really. Shotguns, AR's etc. and silencers/suppressors aren't governed like yours.

    Everyone the world over has gripes with their countries laws, but they tend to sort out the majority. Trying to force your views on others tends to get people's backs up ;)
     
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