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Discussion in 'The Breakroom' started by kertap75, Jan 16, 2014.

  1. groovster

    groovster Loaded Pockets

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    I just googled that Chris Clark case after reading your post. Aside from the facts of shooting the dogs, the rest of the details are kinda murky due to the fact that the officers report varies wildly from the initial reports, hmm...

    In any case, since I've been following the pepper spray thread, it seems that the dog fight could have been stopped with pepper spray as the officer wasn't in any danger.

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    Yeah, it was followed pretty heavily in our local news, although I don't know what all is online about it. The basics are that the unleased dog's owner was walking over to retrieve his dog and the gentleman with the leashes was still in control of the dogs (i.e. leashes in hand, even though he was knocked over). The officer didn't even assess the situation, he pulled his gun and pumped at least three rounds into two dogs within a few feet of the guy with the leash's head and in the middle of public area. He didn't check what was behind him or the direction of his bullets, and he certainly didn't follow his training on how to deal with dogs. He endangered the life of several citizens as well as shot two dogs that would have been separated if he had given it 2 minutes. His "react first to protect ME" attitude could have ended up much, much worse.
     
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    "Bring me the man, I'll show you the crime."
    - Stalin

    When the Bolsheviks came over and took over the banks they turned Amerika into a socialist state.
    They intentional use police as thugs so that they may have a safe environment to continue their criminal activity.

    The line has been drawn.
     
  4. T.H.Cone

    T.H.Cone I am senor Fluffy, hear me roar

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    Indeed.
     
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  5. kertap75

    kertap75 EDC Junkie!!!!!

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    There is a bill in New York right now that has passed the Senate and is now waiting to be voted on by the house. It would make it a FELONY to, among other things, ANNOY a police officer. Some of the quotes by politicians, especially Griffo , are truly odious.

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  6. indigo_wolf

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    However, questions may arise as to where the boundaries should be drawn concerning the right of individuals to report on incidents of excessive police force, for example.

    In May 2011, New York homeowner Emily Good was arrested by Rochester police while standing in her yard and videotaping police officers who were performing a traffic stop in front of her house.

    When one of the officers asked Good what she was doing, Good replied, “I’m just recording what you’re doing; it’s my right.” The officer then told Good that “we don’t feel safe with you standing right behind us while we’re doing a traffic stop,” and ordered her to go inside her house.

    When Good insisted on her right to stand in her yard, she was arrested, handcuffed, and taken away in a police car. She was later charged with obstructing governmental administration. "

    Uh huh....

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  7. indigo_wolf

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    When it comes to merely "annoying" a police officer (short of physically touching him or her), your rights are usually protected as free speech under the First Amendment.

    But there are some important caveats, the first being that you must not obstruct the officer's ability to perform his or her duty. The other caveat is you can't use language -- aka "fighting words" -- that can cause injury or harm.

    Basically, as long as you're not deliberately in the officer's way, and you don't touch them or use language that could cause harm to them, you should be fine.

    In a now-famous Supreme Court case from 1987, Houston Vs. Hill, the court ruled that a New Orleans law making it a crime to verbally challenge police officers was invalid on the grounds of freedom of speech.

    In his opinion, Justice William Brennan eloquently summed up the essence of the matter.

    "The freedom of individuals verbally to oppose or challenge police action without thereby risking arrest is one of the principal characteristics by which we distinguish a free nation from a police state," he wrote.

    :confused::eek:

    I expect civil disobedience cases are going to start getting real interesting. ​

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    Sam
     
  8. RoadWizard

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    “First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—
    because I was not a communist;
    Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
    because I was not a socialist;
    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
    because I was not a trade unionist;
    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    because I was not a Jew;
    Then they came for me—
    and there was no one left to speak out for me.”
    ― Martin Niemöller

    Just substitute smoker, gun owner, knife carrier, free thinker/speaker for any of the above.
     
  9. T.H.Cone

    T.H.Cone I am senor Fluffy, hear me roar

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    "Everyone behaves better when they are being filmed."



    Of course, he is trying to sell video cameras, but the point is well made regardless.
     
  10. kertap75

    kertap75 EDC Junkie!!!!!

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    That seems like a nice product. I guess a camera that the officer can turn off before they do something bad is better then no camera right?

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    Logical extension: What happens if we civvies start wearing cams lashed to our shoulders? Why I have heard of Glass wearers being harassed and stomped for wearing that device.
    In Russia a major portion of motorists have dash cams so they can defend themselves from the he said, she said syndrome. Truly the Truman Show, The Prisoner, and Brazil all wrapped up into one of our present atrophic existence
     
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  12. indigo_wolf

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    $350 for the dash mounted flavor.
    $700 for the lower tier body camera
    $900 for the upper tier body camera.

    Ouch on the pricing.... your tax dollars at work. :confused:

    ATB,
    Sam
     
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    [​IMG]

    The big news in TN this week, Knox County Officer choking UT student til he was unconscious, for drunk and disorderly. Officer was fired Sunday.
     
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    Because there is no clear indication that the Glass is recording you. The feeling is the Glass****[wearer] is trying to get away with something. OTOH, it's pretty clear when someone is capturing video with a cell phone or a purpose-built camera. As a private citizen, I can use that information to avoid being recorded. The Glass is just too subtle for an old man wearing bifocals to detect in time.

    That said, I know it's a matter of time (and a short time at that) before there are enough people wearing Glasses that I'm going to get beat up for wearing my bifocals. And soon after that, no one will care.
     
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    [quote="kd7dvd,
    That said, I know it's a matter of time (and a short time at that) before there are enough people wearing Glasses that I'm going to get beat up for wearing my bifocals. And soon after that, no one will care.[/quote]

    I'll probably get beat up 'cause I didn't hear some command. Dang rock n roll!
     
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  16. indigo_wolf

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    Sign(s) of the times....

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    And in another instance...

    A San Francisco woman who claims she was attacked and robbed in a local bar because she was wearing Google Glass is helping police find her assailants after she used the device to capture video footage of them.​

    Sarah Slocom, a tech writer, was showing off the high tech glasses in punk rock bar Molotovs in the Haight-Ashbury neighborhood Friday night when she says two women confronted her and a man ripped the Google Glass off her face. She says another person then stole her purse and cell phone.​

    She managed to get her Google Glass back complete with video of the suspect she said. She's handed this to police who are using it to track down her anti-Google Glass attackers.​

    Slocom first complained of the attack on her Facebook page, posting: 'OMG so you’ll never believe this but... I got verbally and physically assaulted and robbed last night in the city, had things thrown at me because of some w***er Google Glass haters...'​

    Slocom says she was simply showing friends how to use the new technology when the attack happened out of no where.​

    However, a witness, Brian Lester, told KPIX5 news that she was being irritating, filming people on the device without their consent.​

    He said he watched a man insult Slocum, then a man accompanying her retaliated with his fists.​

    'The crowd was jeering as any last call crowd would do with a fight outside of a bar,' Lester told the station.​
    'She was running around very excited ... and people were telling her, "you're being an *** take those glasses off."​

    'I think everybody was just upset that she would be recording outside of a bar this late with obvious embarrassing behavior going on. And just rather insulted that someone thinks it's okay to record them the entire time they're in public.'​

    Slocom says her purse and phone are still missing.​

    The altercation comes just a week after Google released a list of dos and don'ts for Glass users including 'don't be creepy or rude (aka, a "Gl:censored:").'​

    Ahhhh.... the grand abyss between technology and common courtesy.

    Reminds me of the time on the train where a lady was soooo tickled that she was able to pick up her shiny new phone on the way home from work, that she decided it would be the perfect time for her to set all her personal setting on the phone.

    Of course, this also included test playing (repeatedly) the lengthy selection of ring tones that perfectly suited her personality. Apparently, there was no ring tone with that certain "je ne sais quoi" that said "I am a :censored: miscreant that was raised by a pack of gibbering monkeys who were refugees from an LSD test lab." Oh the merciless tribulations that people like her must endure in their daily lives.

    ATB,
    Sam
     
  17. indigo_wolf

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    Let's not forget the spiders....



    ATB,
    Sam
     
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    Someone one morning decided to do that on my bus. I engaged the PA and said, "I understand that choosing a personal ringtone is a difficult matter. But the operative word here is "personal," and I, for one, feel that personal decisions like this should be made in the privacy of one's home. Thank you."

    I love having a PA system :D
     
  19. indigo_wolf

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    Note to self:
    Lithium powered bullhorns for EDC purposes appear to be reasonably priced.​

    Some even have folding handles. :eek:

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    ATB,
    Sam
     
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    WOW. I'm really impressed with this forum. On some other forums on the interwebs, saying something that could be misconstrued as being anti-police will get "you un-American!" and "they hate us fer ur freedoms!" this is a refreshingly mature, intelligent discussion.
     
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