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Short Pocket EDC Pen

Discussion in 'Pens, Pencils, Notebooks, and Notebook Covers' started by timebomb, Jan 15, 2019.

  1. Jim Hughes

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    An interesting coincidence but the (only) two pens I mentioned in my post (before I deleted it as the OP was unimpressed with Kaweco nib section and wanted copper or brass) was the Kaweco Liliput and TWSBI...cue the twilight zone music...

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  3. RogerStenning

    RogerStenning EDC Junkie

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    Moshe - thanks for the reply :)

    I'm discovering that finding a short fountain pen is quite the task if you don't want to use Kaweco, which is excessively annoying: Once bitten, twice shy, and all that. The two examples I have of the AL Sport model from Kaweco, both clogging up in the same manner, over a similar the same time frame, strongly suggests to me either a design fault, or :censored: poor QC - if not both. Considering the cost of those pens versus cheaper plastic examples from a different manufacturer (which have not once clogged in such a manner) it would be more than fair to state that, when I say that I'm not impressed, I'm putting it very mildly indeed. I'm therefore exceedingly leery (read: No chance even is Hell suffers an endothermic inversion) of giving Kaweco any more of my hard-earned pay.

    I'm currently back using the Platimum Preppy 0.5mm pen I was using a while back, before I got the Kawecos. Opened the cap, started writing with the cartridge that was already in there, and lo and behold, the Preppy wrote perfectly. However, I want a pen that's got a bit of weight to it, and isn't plastic, which is why I got the now-disappointing Kawecos. I've got a Lamy on order (recommended by a friend), but they're still plastic. So, other makes.

    The Pilot E95S series are long, not exactly what I'd call pocket pens, and seem to all be plastic or similar, but thanks :) Likewise, the Pilot M90 stow nice and small, but are difficult to get hold of over here; there are few examples, and the one I just saw on evilbay was minimum 70 quid or thereabouts. Still, in both cases, Pilot are a good make, so again, I'll bear them both in mind, thanks :)

    The TWSBi make seems to have only one metal fountain pen, their 'gunmetal' version (https://www.twsbi.com/collections/fountain-pens/products/twsbi-precision-gun-metal-fountain-pen). It looks nice, but it seems to be of conventional length, rather than short, which is a pity.

    Any other metallic short fountain pen ideas? Anyone?
     
  4. brisboy

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    Short metelic fountain pen? I've loved my Ohto Rook. I did break the clip on mine but that was me being rough with it. Will be getting another one soon. Great little pen.

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  5. Moshe ben David

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    I hear you! Yes, the Pilot M90 is definitely not a budget pen. Actually a re-issue of a pen from years back. So the re-issue was/is a limited edition. But IMNSHO a great writer!

    I'll give you the Pilot E95S is not as short as the Kaweco pens, even capped. Looks to me though that the capped length is on a par with most pocket knives if not shorter and certainly not as bulky. I was thinking that given Pilot is overall such a dependable writer plus this lack of bulk I put in the class of pocket pens. But your pocket needs and mine aren't the same, so I get it!

    Same comments for the TWSBi, other than the plastic bodies...

    Best of luck on your quest! Looking forward to seeing what you end up with.

    btw, if you don't now hang out on the Fountain Pen Network, http://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/ , you might want to visit. They are quite focused on the subject ;)

    L''chaim!

    Moshe Ben David
     
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  6. RogerStenning

    RogerStenning EDC Junkie

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    That's the key thing here; I don't mind paying for a quality pen, but this is EDC we're talking, so it's GOT to be reliable, 24/7. Now, the Pilot might be reliable, but it's an expensive outlay for something I've not had in my mitts before. We're sadly lacking in specialist pen shops in these here parts, and even if we had one (we used to, Webster's Pen Shop, a truly lovely place, but they couldn't compete, so folded), I'm not sure they'd carry what I'd call EDC fountain pens (small, robust, reliable, relatively inexpensive in case you lose the darn things).

    I'm sure they are, lol :)

    As it happens, and purely by chance, there was a shorter than usual pen on Amazon today when I searched. Twelve quid, on Prime (https://smile.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07NXZVL6J/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_dp_U_x_DmIQCbEEFDNFW). It's aluminium, I think, not coloured in any way, and takes international-size cartridges according to the blurb, so the ones I got for the Kawecos should fit it. We'll see. I'm hoping it's a good pen, but a (bit over a) tenner isn't too much of a loss if it doesn't work out, I guess. We'll see.

    More as and when :)
     
  7. RogerStenning

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    Right, the shorty pen from Amazon turned up today. See photos...

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    The nib is a pressed metal, I doubt it's gold, despite the colour; they said over on it's Amazon.co.uk page that it's Iridium, but I have no idea what that looks like, or how it's coloured naturally. It's a about halfway between what I'd call fine, and medium, in thickness of line.

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    Now, out of the packaging, which in the event was HEAVY bubble wrapping and a cellophane-style one-shot slip cover, it comes with a suction converter for bottled ink, so you have to supply either bottle ink, or use 'international' size cartridges (I have a goodly number of those, from my now-unused Kaweco purchases).

    Getting it to write was an annoying experience to start with. The ink flow was just not playing; eventually, after an hour or so of leaving it there to fester with a cartridge in place, I got it to write. I suspect the ink feed is a tad on the stingy side but, it's settled down a bit now, and provides ink to the nib in sufficient quantity to write reasonably reliably with.

    Size-wise it's almost perfect for me. I can stick it in with my notebook, or in a pocket, and it's fine. It's got the weight there to remind me it's there, and despite being a little thinner than I expected, is good in my hand, and feels reasonably comfortable when writing with it.

    Longer term, I have no idea how this is going to behave: It's an unbranded (there are no markings on the body of the pen, and just a small pattern on the nib); for the price, though, you can't argue. It's almost as cheap as chips, as we say over here ;)

    (Chips: Fairly inexpensive British hot fast food snack of questionable health value, consists of a portion of potato batons of varying thickness and length, that have been deep fried in cooking oil of dubious origin, and are served with salt and malt vinegar. NOT the same as french fries from McWhatsit's ;) )
     
  8. Moshe ben David

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    Roger, based on the design on that nib and the price and packaging I'd be willing to wager that pen comes out of China. Which is not a condemnation but is an observation. Regarding 'stingy' feeds, I've run into such on several pens -- even on Kaweco, and I have a couple of the Kaweco pocket pens myself.

    Regarding the Pilot M90. I have one that I do carry as an edc. It lives up very well to the reputation of Pilot pens as reliable writers. In truth, I have found all of my Pilot pens can even sit idle for days and will resume writing when I pick them up and uncap. Including the M90.

    Regarding 'chip'. I spent a number of years working with Brits. I was in the Far East supply chain consulting practice of Coopers & Lybrand prior to the merge with Price Waterhouse. So to a certain extent I can 'speak Brit'. Go ahead, tell me about 'sheds & lorries'; I'll know what you mean. I even got semi-addicted to Fisherman's Friend being passed around at the start of a meeting.... :)

    Hope your new pen works out for you.

    L'chaim!

    Moshe ben David
     
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  9. RogerStenning

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    Wouldn't surprise me one bit, mate; there are a shedload (there's that word again!) of things I've bought of late, that have come from over there.

    Yeah, I follow on the stingy ink feed issue, but that's not what got me disaffected with Kaweco, but I've already described that above. The only pens I've got that have been overly generous with ink feed have been - and are - my two Platinum Preppy 0.5 pens, but they're plastic, not metal, and standard length, not compact. They also write beautifully consistently. Shame there aren't metal versions of those pens :(

    The Platinum Preppy I picked up the other day hadn't been used in a few months, and wrote immediately I put pen to paper. Can't say fairer than that :)

    PWC, huh? Charing Cross, perchance? No need to ask about S&L (LOL), you answered that one already. Which local did you use for the office?

    As to Fishermans Freinds, I prefer Altoids, I despise liquorice ;)

    Cheers,

    Roger
     
  10. RogerStenning

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    Update on the no-brand shorty EDC pen. I think it's the ink.

    Seriously. This one's now stopped working too, and the ink's the only common item in the whole sorry bloody saga.

    For the record, I've been using Kaweco's own brand "pearl black" ink cartridges.

    I want black ink for work purposes; the log cards have to be photocopyable, and blue ink doesn't copy well; To earn the beer stamps, I drive buses here, and we're legally required to complete log cards of each journey when we drive our buses, these log cards being examinable by the requisite authorities (there are several, of course). Hence, black ink.

    Anyone care to recommend a good quality 'international' size cartridge-based ink that doesn't tend to gum up the works?
     
  11. Tesla

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    I yield to @Moshe ben David on this one. I'm a pen guy, but not a fountain pen guy....
     
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    I really like the Pokka pens they compact and they write very well. Just recently they have offered some very cool colors and designs. Smaller then a Space pen and a pack of 10 is less then one Fisher. Now don’t get me wrong I own a bunch of space pens but absolutely hate losing them.

    Here’s a link
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    Here’s a pic.
     
  13. Moshe ben David

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    re: PWC. I'm a US citizen, so I was nominally affiliated with the US side. I joined the firm whilst I was in Asia - first in the Taipei office which was part of a Far East C&L practice group with HQ in Kuala Lumpur and offices in KL, Singapore, Bangkok, HK, Taipei... This Far East group was attached to the London side of C&L. You may (?) recall that of the so-called Big 6 accountancies/consultancies (and I was strictly on the consulting side!), C&L was sort of unique in having two global power centers: NYC and London.

    I worked in the Far East group for 2 years and then for family reasons (my son was reaching what we call Junior High School age; he'd been enrolled in strictly local schools in China, Macau, and Taiwan for about 4 years...) moved back to the US. I was in a practice group just outside of Boston for two years then, which coincided with the merger with PW to form PwC. I have memories from the 1st year after the merger of getting on planes on a Monday morning to go to client sites -- and it seemed the planes were virtually filled with PwC folks grumbling about the lengthy computerized self assessment exercise that originated from the PW side of the house... BLECH!

    L'chaim!

    Moshe ben David
     
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    Although every brand of ink is somewhat different, FP folk do tend to divide the ink universe into 'drier' and 'wetter' inks. I have no idea who is making the ink for Kaweco although I'd not be surprised if it were Schmidt...

    A rough rule of thumb that seems to work is that Pelikan inks tend to write drier -- which could also show up I suspect in a somewhat stingy flow through the feed. IIRC, Lamy inks are sorta similar in performance.

    OTOH, Waterman and Diamine inks are somewhat wetter and can give better flow. I'd suggest trying the Waterman; probably more easy to find and maybe somewhat less costly. I've also found Pilot/Namiki inks to give good flow.

    Only other thing about ink that seems to be a rule of thumb is that inks with a substantial 'red' component can also be on the dry side.

    Hope this information is helpful in some way. The ink forums on Fountain Pen Network are a resource to be tapped into also!

    Just be aware -- you think we're enablers here on EDCF? Wait til you hang out on FPN; that gang are major league enablers for expanding pen collections! LOL. :)

    L'chaim!

    Moshe ben David
     
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    Disposable fountain pens like the Pilot Varsity are superb and SUPER cheap. I buy them for my wife since she keeps losing pens (!!!!!!!). I tend to rely on my TWSBI Diamond 580 for EDC work and use Bernanke Black Ink (fast drying since I'm a lefty). Moleskine notebook with blotter paper bookmark and I'm good to go.
     
  16. RogerStenning

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    Interesting on the ink; I've seen many brands that my two preferred notebook/pan suppliers carry, but hadn't thought that these tended to be made by such a small number of manufacturers.

    I'll make some time to have a look at the FPN, but I don't know when that'll be - life's pretty busy atm :frantic:
     
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  17. RogerStenning

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    I'm trying to get away from the 'disposable society' way of doing things, truth be told, so disposable pens isn't something I really like the idea of.I can see how useful this is to some people, it's just not my thing.

    I normally use anything from Field Notes (I really like their "Utility Graph" pads, btw), although I've got moleskin (both the FN-style thin pads, and the thicker more traditional journal sized pads), Leuchtturm1917 (I like that they come with Olive coloured covers and numbered pages, appeals to the ex-reservist in me!), and recently Pebble Stationary Co notebooks - I'm finding the latter is excellent for fountain pens, btw, although the paper is almost as thin as bank paper :eek:

    I'm not really any kind of expert on ink - far from it; once I've found an ink I'm happy with, which works on the pen I like, I'll likely as not stick to both that ink, and /or that brand. I tend to be fairly brand-loyal: When I like something, I'll keep coming back for more.
     
  18. Moshe ben David

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    @RogerStenning: a last comment for now on ink and perceived performance. I say perceived performance because an ink that performs great with a particular pen on a particular notebook page can easily not perform the same with a different pen and/or on different papers.

    For the pen you have the variables of nib tip size, geometry of the grind, and mechanics of the feed mechanism. For the paper you have the composition, the thickness, as well as just the 'finish' of the paper -- all of these interact to influence ink absorption. Lastly of course relative temperature and humidity can play a role.

    Which is why so many of us in the fp world tend to have multiple pens, multiple inks, and multiple supplies of stationery products! ;)

    Its also why some brands of paper and notebooks stand out (e.g., many of the Japanese notebooks, Claire Fontaine papers and notebooks, Leuchtturm, etc. etc.

    Talk about disappearing down rabbit holes! OMG! :)

    L'chaim!

    Moshe ben David
     
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    You forgot Rhodia! Of course, Claire Fontaine is very similar. Maruman Mnemosyne is very good also.
     
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    Ohto Tasche

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