I have to agree with some of the others about the Scandium guns. I bought a S&W M&P 357. It was a nice gun, very light, night sight. Felt great in a pocket. I did alright with it at practice with target loads. The problem came with self defense loadings. They were downright painful. I never considered myself recoil sensitive, but I'll admit it was difficult to get through a 5 round cylinder with the M&P. I had read this before buying the gun, but I didn't believe it could really "hurt". I was wrong, and I got rid of it. I much prefer my S&W 642 which is much more management in terms of recoil. I figure it's better to be able to shoot a 38 well, than to have a gun that is a little lighter 357 in the pocket that you dread shooting. Also recommend a Mika pocket holster. It works great, and Robert Mika is great to deal with (I've done so about 5 times). I like the Mika holster because it conceals the gun without printing, it is impermeable to sweat, stays in place in the pocket, and allows for an easy draw and reholster. I've been using my holster since 2003 and it is holding up very well. Oh, I forgot to mention, I have a little older pre-lock version of the 642, which I prefer. I believe S&W has recently made some without the lock, but I haven't checked into their availability.