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Discussion in 'Pens, Pencils, Notebooks, and Notebook Covers' started by el_murdoque, Jan 26, 2019.
thanks for that update!
And Adam's Field Pen Twist is now up at ks; it uses Parker-compatible International G2 refills... j.mp/MECFieldPenTwist_ks
Just got an e-mail from them and a link to it...disappointing to me. I would've preferred a Parker refill version of their Field Pen. The twist looks, for lack of a better term, "cheap". Using a clip-on clip (sounds redundant, I know), reeks of cheap pen. As I've mentioned before, part of my EDC rotation is one of their compact pens, which is both functional & aesthetically pleasing. The twist just misses the mark..for me.
@Tesla - it of course does come down to what folks' preferences are in terms of what they like and what they think, yet, like any of the MEC products, this Twist is well-thought-out and a well-designed writing instrument. Definitely subjective on the aesthetics. I see a writing instrument which incorporates a bunch of design details which were deliberately chosen to help the form be functional and also happens to look good as well.
Dunno what all was involved in the whole concept-to-implementation process to create what you see, however, I figure that they created the best writing instrument they could with the constraints they worked with or had self-imposed. Probably an iterative process with a few prototypes to optimize the design while managing possibly conflicting conditions (like costs, manufacturing processes, dimensions...).
I mean, with the internal twist mechanism, they probably couldn't affix a similarly-machined clip in the style of the other Field Pens, so if that option's not feasible, then they probably chose the best clip which worked. Cool that they used a U.S. manufacturer for the clip; that probably helps in managing the project when it comes to quick and effective communication and feedback.
Anyway, like ya said, for you, it may miss the mark, and, when I first mentioned the prototype, directing it to the OP, I said it depends on if it's down their alley (or is it, up their alley? Whoops), so it does depend on one's preferences. Yet despite what one thinks, it's definitely not a pen which is "phoned-in" or cheaply made at all.
@oke based on their other pens, I don't think it is cheap or cheaply made, but I would not expect a pen that's a custom pen to have a clip that attaches in that manner. Since other twist mechanisms don't do so, I'm pretty sure it is not the constraints of the design. As stated, though I do think it "looks" cheap. I may be in the minority..they seem to have met their funding goal handily. As illustrated, though, it lacks the panache of the much cheaper Retro 51. I will admit, I'm already spoiled by other pens...
Regarding the Tornados - although the general design is pretty smart (with tons of variety for materials and barrel designs), one feature that could be better if they could improve it is the clip.
Back when I wanted to use a Tornado regularly (it was a chrome one from a Valentine's set from around '10, iirc, where the other one was red, and the tops were magnetic so little round messages could be put on them), I lent it out once to a co-worker. And I got it back with the clip tweaked. Apparently, the person liked fiddling with the springy clip by lifting it up (away from the pen barrel) a few times (maybe one or two too many), and then it finally deformed and was creased back and away from the barrel and wasn't very usable (it didn't grip onto the cloth material of a pocket anymore). Near the top of the clip where the punched-out area starts is where there's less material and where it was bent outward. There wasn't a way to bend the clip back past where it used to be (or bend it further once it hits the barrel) so it could spring back to its original position. So one day (a few years later) I finally emailed Retro51 for advice on how to get the clip back into shape ('cuz it bugged me that an almost perfectly good pen wasn't being utilized because of a design flaw), and this was their reply (~6 years ago):
At least with the Fisher bullet and Millennium space pens, and even Big Idea Designs' clips, you can remove them to re-bend them.
And it could be, that if this Twist pen's clip happens to get bent out of whack, then once you remove it, you can repair it as well. Though it seems like the spring steel of the Field Pen Twist is thicker and more resistant to getting bent than the Retro51 Tornado's.
So, what's fun is what you can read in the comments of this ig post. The plan is that the Field Pen twist button and clip are going to be modular components, so you can swap 'em out for different colors. That reminds me of the lamy accent series, where one can get different grip materials and colorways to customize it the way ya want.
Anyway, after all of that, I do concur, a person may already have other faves out there, and ain't nothin' wrong with that.
You're right that modularity appeals to many...and full disclosure, my Rotring Rapid Pro does have a detachable clip. That said, I don't actually carry it (due to its length it does not fit well in most pockets). In general, though, the Lego look does not appeal to me. If Machine Era makes a Parker compatible Field Pen in the future, I'll be Johnny on the spot. In defense of the Retro 51, I'd have to say that the clip on mine is very sturdy and I have no real concerns about it bending under anything approaching normal use. The person you lent it to had to have been very abusive to the clip to get that to happen. What I really liked was that Retro 51 was prepared to fix it. In this world of disposable technology, that was refreshing. I don't know what the new Twist pen is going to ultimately sell for, but I see some of its design as cost-saving moves more than design feature. Most of us here on EDC Forum are outliers, anyway, so I'll just say, "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain."
Oh yeah - the first "splurge" writing instrument I treated myself to way back when was a black rotring 600 triopen at the college bookstore (57 bills back then!) had the same style clip. Solid!
Cool that ya elaborate and explain yourself well so folks can understand your pov; thanks!
Yeah, was ticked that it was returned damaged, and didn't feel it was the best time/place to tell the person to return borrowed stuff as he found it after he gave a quick apology.
Anyway, I concur; their customer service is great! I did finally decide I wanted a usable clip, so I sent it back. Aside - the glued ferrous disc on the top of the Tornado also came loose and was lost, so while on a roll in the email, I mentioned that minor detail. They replied that they could also replace the top, and what's more, they had one last intact batch of the magnet messages for the Valentine's set, and sent that along as well, even though we didn't need it. So yep, they treat customers well, even years after the purhase!
Below: The set of messages they sent - which usually occupies space on the fridge, unused (since we still have the other set)...
It's all good - sharing different points of view and the rationale behind it, based on different experiences, helps make a better/richer community than if everyone were always in agreement, imo.
Just an update to say that I got my Field Pen Twist (from Adam Hogsett's Machine Era Co.), and it's really well-made! & @RMinNJ's comments about it are there.
Finally I got my Peter doering Mini Ti pen, I made the pre-order in February and just receive on 8th November, but it is a good pen and worth to have it.
Watch every update and steps on Peter’s IG it is very interesting
That is about the nicest pen there is. It's beautiful.
did you ever get a new pen? Both Tactile turn and Urban survival gear, mentioned earlier in the thread, does short versions now.
I have both, but it's really only the TiScribe that gets pocket time. Being noticeably slimmer and lighter, it makes more sense in the pocket.
Now, to be fair, I got the TiScribe in titanium and the TT in bronze, just to get some variation in materials, but I think the TiScribe has the edge for pocket convenience either way.
If I should point out one detail about the TiScribe, that could be considered a subjective negative to some, it's that the pen doesn't carry as shallow as the few pens I've carried before. This is obviously a design feature of integrating the clip into the bolt, and probably not very easy to come around in such a design. For me it felt a little weird at first, I need to clip the pen to carry it comfortably, but I also like to keep a low profile. It doesn't really bother me anymore, the dull grey finish on the titanium probably ensure that it goes unnoticed by most.
Tactile Turn doesn't make a mini-pen...unless it's not listed on their website. Their shortest bolt-action pen is 5.1 inches...the approximate length of a Parker Jotter. That doesn't qualify for mini-pen length in my book. 4 inches or less would be my guideline for a mini pen. FWIW, I own the "short" Tactile Turn bolt & it's a great pen...just not really a mini-pen. Machine Era does make a mini pen in stainless. I have one & although it's substantial in girth, it fits the length guideline for a mini-pen.
I'm new in the pen game, so I don't really have the terminology down. The Doering, which the OP seem to be very intrigued by, is obviously quite "mini" even for the uninitiated, but that was never a requirement.
The Bolt action short is obviously shorter than the standard, although not by much, but it could certainly make a difference in the pocket. I'm not sure what lengths TT was making before, so this might not be as new of a feature as I made it out to be though.
I did not. I spent a little more time working on the clip of my Ti Pocket Pro and managed to get it back to a satisfactory level. It's ridden the RF pocket of my pants ever since with little reason for me to complain.
The TiScribe looks like a super nice pen, but on their website, the only version still available is desert camo, which is not really up my alley.
No, it is not a new feature (although they changed the naming--they were formerly the slider & glider for the 2 different lengths). I'd consider the bolt action "short" to be a standard length pen like a Jotter. Since the Doering was being discussed, it seemed likely a mini-pen was wanted. On a side note, it appears the redesigned TT bolt action pens no longer accommodate the Schmidt capless refill, so I would be disinclined to buy the new ones for that reason. I have plenty of pens that handle the Parker style refills like the Easy Flow.
I think that pen looks very interesting, it's more of a coincidence that I ended up getting the USG and TT first. Good thing you got it back in a satisfactory condition. Nothing is better than making use of what you already have.
I have too little experience to know how long the Jotter is, but I agree anyway. I prefer my pens short, and the short bolt action is really only short compared to its bigger brother. It's very nicely made and all, but if I was able to try it before purchase I would probably not have bought it. Just for the length and weight.
The Pocket Pro really is an astounding writing implement. The fact that it will accept basically any refill you can get your hands on is a super nice feature. I run mine on Schneider Glider 755s. It's barely big enough to write comfortably, but my hands are quite large. The clip's attachment is bomb proof and it's true deep carry. With about half a year of daily use, I discovered that I had adopted so well that one handed operation of the twist to open came without thinking.
This would be the closest thing in my experience. I have a titanium one and it has help up great. A buddy of mine has one each in copper and brass and loves them.
The Bastion Luxury Executive Bolt-Action pen comes in an all-stainless version and a carbon-fiber version, and uses the International G2 (parker) refill. I've had the all-stainless model for about 6 months now and have been fairly pleased with it. It's on the heavy side being all stainless, but it's built solid. I pocket carry mine (as you intend to) without issue despite it being a bit longer than your typical pocket pen. For ~$25 it might be worth looking at.
I dont want to break the rule about deal-spotting so I can't post a link, but you can find them on the big river site.