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News Article: Fire Fighters Let house Burn

Discussion in 'The Breakroom' started by Boy SureFire, Oct 5, 2010.

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  1. Cervantes

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    NO person was in the structure.
    There was no patient on a bed getting no treatment, it was a structure and the residents decided to avoid the payment for the express purpose of having coverage in case the structure did somehow catch on fuego.
     
  2. jag-engr
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    What if the county chose not to fund a sheriff's force, school, or county administrative offices? What if a whole state made that decision?

    This isn't a matter of taxation to fund a bureaucrat's pet project or theatrical your-government-has-the-answers performance (i.e., TSA) - this is a matter of taxation to provide basic government services. It's in everyone's best interest that these types of services not be privatized.

    The fact is that usually fire protection will lower home insurance rates. If the county can gaurantee fire protection, it should lower the home owners insurance and at least partially compensate for itself.
     
  3. cap6888
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    FWIW, many people have mentioned the whole ER/medical treatment issue. There is a LAW called EMTALA which governs hospitals. If someone shows up at a hospital and they have a life threatening emergency or are giving birth, they MUST be treated and stabilized. Will they be given triple bypass surgery or some other form of elective surgery, no, but they will get life saving care.

    Many people are pointing the fingers at the fire department. They are not to blame, it is the politicians (what else is new). Obion County tried to implement a fire protection service, but never fudned it, so ultimately, there is no county fire department. The city of South Fulton, which I presume collects city taxes on top of county taxes, funds it's own fire department. Apparently no mutual aid agreement has been established between Obion County and the city of South Fulton. South Fulton is offering fire protection services to residents of the county for a nominal fee. South Fulton realizes county residents don't have fire protection and are trying to do something to help them since the county government won't.

    Maybe it's an argument of semantics. If the $75 was called "fire insurance" instead of a "fee" would people look at it differently? If someone doesn't have car insurnace and they wreck their car, no one feels bad for that person right? I pay for health insurance, car insurance, dental insurance, etc. Do I use the services provided by them constantly? NO, but I pay the insurance because of what MIGHT happen.

    As I have said before, I would have hated to be any of those firemen on the scene. It is in our nature to respond and act when we are called. But we are a paramilitary organization, we follow our chain of command, we follow orders. Sometimes we don't like them, but we follow them. We ran a house fire a couple years back....a 14 year old boy died in it. When we got on the scene there was heavy fire coming out of every window of the house. We knew the boy was in there. We also all knew in the back of our head that the boy was already dead, there is no way possible that a human could have endured the heat and smoke in that structure. We tried getting in there as far as we could, but couldn't find the kid. After less than ten minutes, the incident commander told everyone to get out, the floor was starting to collapse, and he didn't want anyone else to get killed. Several firemen went to the hospital with burns they got while trying to get in there to search. No one wanted to be told to give up looking for the kid, but the command was given, we had to follow orders.

    Back to the fire in question, there was no life saftey issue, no one was trapped. There are many departments who would just let a structure burn to the ground while just protecting the exposures, so nothing else catches fire. That is in effect what the South Fulton FD did. Like I said before, the South Fulton FD was put in a bad situation. Just like the homeowner gambled with the odds of not paying the fee and not needing the FD, Obion County gambled that they wouldn't need a county FD, and the City of South Fulton gambled that they wouldn't be put in this situation.
     
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    If you watch tv or the news lately this is happening all over the country. A local PD near me is in danger of closing down from lack of funding. Schools are being closed every year. If the populace doesn't vote for the millages and tax increases to keep them open then the decision is made BY THEM. That is freedom. Make your choice and live with it.

    I never made an argument for privatization and I agree that emergency services shouldn't be, for public accountability reasons among others. But again, it's the responsibility and decision of the residents to vote for and fund these services.

    This is very true but either the residents don't care about lowering their rates or the insurance companies haven't demanded some kind of fire coverage for rural customers.
    This incident may change that.
     
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    Can anybody find mention of how this fire started?
     
  6. ChrisJ

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    That's an excellent question Hebily.
     
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    Her grandson, Lance Cranik, 21, who lived there with her and her husband, started the fire while burning trash in a barrel.
    He went inside to take a shower and upon returning saw a shed next to the house in flames.
    It spread despite his efforts to put it out with a garden hose.


    Double FAIL.
     
  9. Hebily

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    Honestly, I don't think this should have even made the news.

    A house burned down due to a series of unfortunate, but totally preventable events.
     
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    I think it's interesting that anyone would villainize the firemen in this situation. Lets look at the facts:

    1. the owner admitted to the press that he knew to pay the fee but choose not to thinking they would come out anyway.

    2. until recently, their area was not covered by the fire department at all, so if a fire had started before the option of paying a fee the firemen would still have let it burn.

    3. the fire was started by the negligence of the owner

    4. no lives where at stake, only property

    5. by the time the fireman got there to protect the neighbors property, the damage was already done to the house. Putting the fire out at that point would not have salvaged anything.


    The owners rolled the dice by choosing to not pay the fee, and are now paying the price of taking that risk. As far as I can tell, there was nothing done wrong by the fire department.
     
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    somewhere in a framing store near Rand Paul's hometown, a man walks in with a scrap of paper
     
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    I get both sides...it's a tough case. We used to live where no EMT service would come unless you prepaid...some didn't.

    The professionals would save people anyway...it's just the bean counters that keep them chained down from helping (I bet).
     
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    if you're too scared of fires, or a little raw sewage, then you can go ahead and move to canada. I know how to dispose of my waste, and don't own anything flammable.
    I know a guy that can pave roads. As far as money- I can barter.

    Also... ok, I can't keep being this ridiculous
     
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    I'd much rather pay taxes than pay to have a road paved all the way to my house!!!


    I'm not sure if you're kidding or not, but I sure wish I could get municipal sewer to my house. A septic tank is all well and good until something goes wrong! Need a new system? Guess who gets to pay for that...
     
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    yah, this whole thing reeks of shenanigans
     
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    Not really, another source says

     
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    As far as the first part of this statement, the article says they got three notices, and even got a phone call to remind them to pay the fee which had expired. That seems like a fair amount of reminders to be given. I don't know the rules, but maybe while getting the written reminders, they are still covered since they were up to date on paying fees in the past. And as far as the second part of your statement, I never made such a comment. As a fireman, I have seen the destruction, both physical and emotional, that fire creates. I would never wish a fire on anyone's property.
     
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    Emergency personnel are supposed to respond when called to the scene of an emergency. They have a specific job. They are not revenue collectors for the city or state. And yes, it really is that simple.

    Also, while I won't turn this into a political debate, I want to point out that I was born in Communist Russia. It's nothing more than socialism carried to its logical conclusion. If you honestly believe that I and others who disagree with you have made pro-socialism posts. Then I'm sorry, but you have no idea what real socialism is.
     
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    How long have you lived there?
     
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