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Mole and his adventures in 3D printing

Discussion in 'Do-It-Yourself & Gear Modifications' started by mole, Aug 6, 2015.

  1. mole

    mole EDC Junkie!!!!!

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    I finally did it and bought a 3d printer. i wanted to have my line of diy-SAK-handlegrips and other self-printed gear i wanted to test. :bundle-of-joy_throwvertical: I thought, a well reviewed machine from a german manufacturer would be the way to go. (reprap NEO). all I can say now is: BAD IDEA

    after 24 hours the f:censored: thing is unuseable and just to be sure, the manufacturer did not produce any form of useable handbook for that thing with it. they have a relatively small forum, needless to say - not very helpfull. apparently there is no servicetech in austria & thanks to the missing documentation, i have no idea, what i can do to this machine without loosing my warranty.

    so the first "plug and play"-experience was not quite like that AT ALL.

    i will keep you updated, what happens next......
     
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  2. Cheeser
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    Cheeser Hey Bub!

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    How frustrating :(
     
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  3. Patrick87

    Patrick87 Loaded Pockets

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    Good luck with the printer.:unsure:
    A colleague of mine, build his own one. Now he is printing parts for the next printer with it.:rolleyes:
     
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  4. mole

    mole EDC Junkie!!!!!

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    right now, the company and their support give me passive aggressive answers to my call for help. :furious:
    i just opened an official ticket on their half-disfunctional email based support system.
    i wonder what will happen next. so far, my experience has not been a pleasant one. f:censored:
     
  5. vegassprky
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    vegassprky Loaded Circuits

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    I hope it all works out and we get to see the cool stuff you make.
     
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  6. gdwtvb

    gdwtvb Loaded Pockets

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    We have one where I am attending school. My experience has been extremely underwhelming. OK for prototyping, but the consumer models are much like the first personal computers were back in my youth,
    early eighties, neat but not entirely useful. Finicky, regular realignment required, and inconsistent results. Also when you start printing anything beyond a couple centimeters thick, the print times grow exponentially.

    Remember I am referring to the plastic extrusion consumer models.

    Grizz
     
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  7. kensington

    kensington Loaded Pockets

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    ouch.
     
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  8. mole

    mole EDC Junkie!!!!!

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    this did not go well.

    the german manufacturer has a telephone helpline only reachable in selected countries, by far not all countries where the machines are sold. Austria is not one of them, so - no telephone helpline IN A NEIGHBOUR COUNTRY (?!).

    the email support did something i did not expect: they still write their passive aggressive s:censored:t, do not answer questions i had and in general their answer read like a "yeah, we have your money now, so just go to hell" - subtext. so......

    i took the machine apart and to my surprise i found the reason, why it would not print: A small aluminium chip blocked the nozzle of the heated tip (where the plastic comes out) and ..........apparently this chip found its way there during the less than perfect manufacturing process of this machines parts....

    so far, gdwtvb is right: it feels like a very immature piece of technology. not plug-and-play at all. not fun to play with, but this is the manufacturers fault. i did not expect something so incooperative from a german/european company.:help:

    next thing will be: I´ll put the pieces back together and hope for the best.
     
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  9. nick50471

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    I work very closely with two manufacturers. They absolutely love the small guys making crap printers. Everyone that buys a cheap one...even if they don't get it to work sees the value and eventually buys one of theirs.

    Keep in mind the material printed is a big issue. You can't print every type of material with one printer and every material has drastically different properties.

    Support removal is my favorite part of 3D printing. When you print a part with support structure you are printing me money. :cool:
     
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  10. gdwtvb

    gdwtvb Loaded Pockets

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    Another heads up, the different plastics have different temperatures that they extrude at. Be prepared to play with the temps of the nozzles and base to get decent results. Also some of the extrusion materials 'change' depending on humidity, age, etc. necessitating re figuring temperatures. With bigger items we have alot of problems with the edges bending up off the plate.

    Grizz
     
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  11. mole

    mole EDC Junkie!!!!!

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    what i learned so far:
    • be prepared for an immense amount of diy :cold:
    • be prepared for nights of tinkering around and no visible happy end :eek:
    • be prepared for a lot of "hype"
    • be prepared for specialised forums full of semipro-trolls willing to make fun of a newbie :nah_disagree:
    • be prepared for missing or bad service & support on the manufacturers side :censored:
    • be prepared for the most expensive paperweight on your table for some time, before your time as a 3d-printing-hero starts (my time has not come yet:(i fear )
     
  12. mole

    mole EDC Junkie!!!!!

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    this 3d :censored: printer is still not working. BUT: found a friendly guy not too far away from where i live and he seems to be the 3d-print-guru. will travel to him in september and start my education as a 3d-printing-jedi. :spin:

    if this does not help, i will send back the machine to the manufacturer or sell it on ebay
     
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  13. Darth_Firebolt

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    i got a monoprice maker select plus and couldn't be more happy. literally 6 screws, 5 wires to connect, and one power cable and I was 3d printing. I did level the bed, and noticed an air bubble under the factory applied non stick plate or whatever it's called, but it's been doing awesome stuff ever since. in the 36 hours i've had it, it's had maybe 3 hours of downtime. I would wholeheartedly recommend it to anyone.
     
  14. mole

    mole EDC Junkie!!!!!

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    this piece of 3d-printing-junk still resides as the most expensive paperweight of my life on my desk.

    2016 as a year was a piece of #### to me, my father in law died last summer, 2 more relatives in autumn. my aunt died yesterday (weak heart, but still....). i´m really stressed out & did not manage to get this machine ready. no 3d-jedi-mastery here.
     
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    Man that's a crappy year indeed. There's not a whole lot anyone can do about friends and family passing away but with the combined power of all forum members here we should at least be able to get you printer working!

    Give us some specs, pics, brand/type of the machine. Don't be afraid to name and shame a brand if they have been bad to you as long as you keep it to a reasonable level.
     
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  16. WillAdams

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    I link-dumped into the Shapeoko wiki when I got a 3D printer / did a conversion a while back --- might find some useful information there. Esp. note this quote:

    >Getting good prints out of a printer is a skill you learn with time, if you are willing to invest said time. Whoever tells you otherwise is lying to your face.
     
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