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Micro LM's: I've come to the conclusion

Discussion in 'MultiTools and Other Pocket Tools' started by Gogogordy, Dec 15, 2016.

  1. Gogogordy

    Gogogordy Loaded Pockets

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    Ive a drawer-kept a Micra for years, and recently added a PS4 to my arsenal. While I have no gripes with my larger LM tools Ive come to the conclusion that I dont care for their micro sized offerings. I find the (universally loved?) Micra inconvenient to use, the blade isn't even SAK-Classic quality, and the tweezers are a joke. My new PS4's scissors flex so readily when I use them that the spring jumps up and around the scissor and locks the whole thing up. Its a design shortcoming. What I do appreciate about both, especially the Micra and in-fact all LM is the materials used in their construction.

    I hope the Juice CS4 that I know I have hiding under the tree is more like my Wingman and Rebar and less like my Micra and PS4 so it can see carry-time and not live in the drawer with my Micra and PS4.

    Anyone else have similar feelings re the tiny LM models?
     
  2. flux

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    you will be disappointed. the juice series aim to be SAKs with pliers and alot of flathead drivers. but not as good as saks and too heavy for pocket carry.

    ps4: tiny toys for tiny jobs. you cannot do too much with a ps4, but it is nice to have it around. a juice is so inbetween that and the next bigger tools. so it doesnt make much sense.

    get a Blast or anything bigger, I was always drooling for a juice, finally got one (old style) this year, and was not impressed at all. the new juice model looks terrible and has an shorter blade than the old one.
     
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    I have disowned every Leatherman product except the Crunch. Good riddance!!
     
  4. Enzo01

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    Been carrying a Micra on my keychain and a Juice S2 in my pocke for years. IMO, both excellent tools that I use practically everyday.
     
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    I work in an electronics R&D lab and my little ES4 gets used daily... no complaints from me, but I do have larger tools for bigger tasks, and I always have a SAK Executive in my pocket too.
     
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    I like my LM Wave, but I didn't care for the Juice. I have a Skeletool that I feel is rather mediocre. I've never messed with the smaller Leathermans as I have always felt they were too heavy for such a small tool. I've debated about the Micra for a long time, though. I will agree with the OP that the knife blade on the Micra is a joke and the tweezers are just a filler.
     
  7. Moshe ben David

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    flux: I don't have a Juice and have never even held one, so can't comment there. But I'm in total agreement with you about the PS-4 series (I keep a Squirt PS4 on a pocket dangler) and the Blast.

    The Squirt absolutely is light weight, but having a small pocket plier readily available has been useful often enough for me to justify having it in my pocket.

    I've had the Blast for at least 10 years. I like it a lot; small enough to carry in the pocket; hefty enough to fulfill my needs. If the Blast and its close relatives were still on the market, I'd probably pick up one of the others in the series.

    L'chaim!

    Moshe ben David
     
  8. leigh_ratcliffe

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    PS4 is a good tool so long as you appreciate it's limits.
    Aso appros of the above, I am escorting my Lady Wife to the Church Family Christmas Party this weekend, so I have to (groan) dress up. Which means I aint allowed my usual WarLoad (Double Groan). I made it clear to Her Ladyship that I aint going the EDC equivalent of butt naked. Particularly as there will doubtless be Drama, usually of the stuck zip, thread out of place, busted hand bag etc variety & guess who has to fix it?
    Yep, me.
    So It's a PS4, Victorinox Cadet, Rough Rider Mini Stockman sort of day.
     
  9. Radioactive_Man

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    I like the PS4 even though it's pretty heavy, and a little over-priced imo. The outside opening tools make it quick to pull out, use, and put away. That's the most important part of a good MT for me. I don't like the Micra at all for this same reason. Extremely tedious to use.
     
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    +1! Asked for a PS4 a couple of years ago for Christmas and it has been on my keychain ever since. I don't look at it as a competitor to the bigger Leathermans... it's for trimming my nose/eyebrow hairs on the go, clearing staple jams, and being my knife that I can use where I'm encouraged not to bring a knife.
     
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    I've a couple of LM squirts and like them for keychain/lightweight carry. I also like the Juice and the Charge. I had a Skeletool but it felt horrible in the hand and I sold it.
    I would suggest, though, that if the particular tool you're using isn't big enough for the job, then you may be using the wrong tool; if a tool is big enough (or the job small enough) but the tool still cannot cope then it's not a good tool.
     
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  12. Gogogordy

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    The job-size to tool-size ratio isnt the issue in my case. esp in reference the Squirt PS4. The fixed arm of those scissors is so spindly that unless I am absolutely conscious of, and careful to push on the moving arm without any side deflection whatsoever (very unintuitive and distracting) then it flexes enough to allow the spring to jump around the arm and jam up the whole thing. Its a design flaw IMHO and scissors, even tiny ones like those are one of my main criteria for carrying a grooming centric MT such as that (or a SAK Classic) anyway.

    So for me, its back to a SAK for this particular usage niche.

    Otherwise, Im a fan of the LM products...the larger ones (those seem to be their core strength to me)
     
  13. EZDog

    EZDog EDC Junkie!!!!!

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    I recently got one of the Boker Tech Tool that are similar to the SAK knives and mine is a pretty big one with both scissors and pliers and they are both amazingly stout really as I hoped they would be but was prepared for them not to be too!
    Highly recommended.
     
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    Not really, but the opposite:

    Although I have from time to time added and subtracted various Leathermen over the last 20+ years, my one constant has been the Micra I got to supplement my then brand new Super Tool. It is to this very instant my 5th pocket companion, no matter what else I'm carrying. It has the best tools of any keychainers, including the Squirts, and nothing dainty about them. The slotted driver is sharply cut, making a difference when you are trying to snug something down really secure, and by coincidence fits some pesky doorknob screws at my place that can't be locktited. The scissors work better than those on the two Squirts I own, plus the one on my wife's S4 (she likes it, anyway) and the blade works just fine, especially after years of sharpening it on both sides has provided a second bevel. I think it is a stronger blade than on the Classic, but I'm not going to test that out. Also, the tiny Squirt wood/metal files are all but useless on a tool that size. The fingernail file on the Micra makes much more sense, and is actually useable.

    Frankly, I'm not too fond of the Squirt line, except for the P4 because of the awl and tiny screwdriver, missing on the PS4, replaced by dinky little scissors with a dicey spring. I prefer the P4 awl and driver, and neither of them has a ruler, which I do sometimes use on the Micra. On the other hand, my wife refuse to even touch the Micra. She finds it "too industrial," by which she means sharp edged, and she has a point. The Squirts are more hand friendly, a worthwhile quality in a hand tool.

    Sometimes, "just because, ' I like to use the Micra for jobs that ordinarily do better with dedicated tools, like my yearly installation and removal of our window air conditioners. Even the skinny tweezers have functioned well enough when needed. Since starting out with the Micra when there were no competitors, I grew accustomed to dealing with inside opening tools where I don't even think about it in practice. An extra two seconds in the time stream of life isn't such a much.

    I hope you enjoy your new CS4, probably the current version. I had the older one, and liked it a lot. One word of caution, though; don't rely on the corkscrew assist. If you are dealing with a tight cork, screw all the way down and lever against the bottle lip, then draw it out. Works fine that way.
     
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    I bought the Micra in 1999 or 2000. I "used" it (read: carried it around) for a year on my key chain and then re-homed it to a drawer for at least a decade. It's currently attached to the key ring my bump keys are on. Why? Just because.

    In around 2011, I bought the Juice S2 and really enjoyed having this tool. I used it in my last years as a police officer and my resurge of interest in preparedness. It's too heavy for my pocket so by 2013, I'd stopped carrying it as an EDC item. I had to send the first one back as it was a total lemon. The second one was great, but as I said it's heavy and, in my opinion, too slippery.

    I took my first flight in 2013, and I wanted to take a TSA "compliant" tool so I purchased the Style PS, which I think is a cute little tool, but I've never found a great deal of use for it. I paired it with a Brewzer about a year later just to make me feel less vulnerable when I air traveled.
     
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    I have carried a micra in my 5th pocket for the last couple of years and love it. My primary use for it is as scissors even though I also carry a Vic Explorer that has decent scissors. The tiny tools are perfect for the small screws used for spit valves on brass instruments and other small jobs for which the Explorer tools are too blunt.

    I really tried to like the PS4 I had before the micra, but it just didn't click for me like the micra did.

    --flatline
     
  17. Lateck

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    I have a LM Squirt P4 that has been in my pocket for years and it is for fine work or as a backup.
    Yes, it is not a "Full Sized" tool but it is what it is, a fine working tool or BU.
    This is the same with any tool. As for the Leatherman quality, I find mine to be good as the larger tools BUT only smaller

    Lateck,
     
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    The LM juice is one of my all time favorite multi-tools. It's an EDC king for me. I find on a MT the pliers are the most used tool besides a knife, so I usually don't carry around a SAK. The LM wave is way too heavy for pocket carry, and when I'm not at work I prefer not to use a sheath. The Juice isn't too heavy free floating in the pocket, and actually works great with a clip.

    If my explination was sub par here is a cool picture to get you to like the juice (AKA best multi-tool ever)
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    Your picture didn't show, although in my case it didn't really need to since I share your opinion about the Juice already.
     
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  20. thatotherguy

    thatotherguy EDC Junkie!!!!!

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    I got a Super Tool 300 when they were new in 2009 and beat the snot out of mine for the next three years or so. In the mean time I got a skeletool, core, freestyle, and a second micra (I had had one before the ST300). I was pleased with the quality and performance on all of them. But the ST300 got retired when I got into a lightweight kick and started carrying SAKs, then no tool (egad!), and it was beat to within an inch of its life anyway. I haven't carried a Leatherman with any regularity since. I sent the Skeletool and the ST300 back to LM for warranty and they came back brand new (but not my tools- I knew the date codes on my ST300 and it wasn't the same one even though I had selected sentimental value and requested the same tool back) but the quality, especially in the pliers head and the tool detents and locks, was noticeably lower than they were. Thus, I'm not really interested in Leatherman anymore. I still want a Rebar and there are several vintages I would like to have, but SOG has better pliers and replaceable, if rougher, tools. Gerber makes a better quality tool all around in their MP400/600 lines, and for cheaper too.

    TL;DR: it pains me to say this, but I'm not a Leatherman guy anymore. Other tools work better for me with better F&F.
     
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