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Looking for my first REAL flashlight

Discussion in 'Flashlights & Other Illumination Devices' started by ragingduck, Jan 18, 2017.

  1. ragingduck

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    I'm looking for my first real tactical bright light for travel, home security and emergencies. No more Duracell Home Depot Specials!! A REAL light!

    As far as batteries go, I used to vape, so I still have some rechargeable 18650 3000mAh batteries and chargers laying around. Would any of them work with any flashlights?



    1) Short Essay Question: What do you intend to use this light for? Camping, home security, emergency light when on vacation, etc. Something portable, but very bright.

    2) What Region/Country/State will the light be purchased in?
    [ X] I will be mail-ordering or buying online, so this doesn't matter.
    [ ] I am in _______(country) and __________(state/providence).

    3) Price Range: An easy question, but you may change your mind after answering the rest! :broke:
    [ ] $1-15
    [ ] $15-30
    [ ] $40-60
    [ X] $80-$120
    [ ] I have no limit!

    4) Format:
    PART A
    [ X] I want a flashlight.
    [ ] I want a headlamp.
    [ ] I want a lantern.
    [ ] I want a portable spotlight.

    PART B
    Length:
    [ ] 1-2 inches. (Keychain sized)
    [ X] 2-4 inches. (Pocket carry)
    [ ] 4-9 inches. (Holster carry)

    PART C
    Width:
    [ ] I prefer a long narrow light.
    [ ] I prefer a short wide light.
    [ X] Doesn't matter.

    PART D
    Weight:
    Lights of a similar size can be very different in weight and may turn the perfect sized light into a paper weight. In general a lights of the same size will stack up like this; plastic and aluminum will be your lighter choices brass, stainless steel, bronze will be heavier. I won't put numbers here because everyone has a different weight sensitivity. For the purposes of EDC specifically I'll limit the choices here to the more easily carried sizes pick 2 sizes to represent a range of weight.
    [ ] Very light, can't tell it's there.
    [ ] Light, no heavier than a few keys or a small car remote.
    [ ] Medium light, about the weight of a AAA MiniMag
    [ X] Medium, slightly heavier than a AA MiniMag
    [ ] Heavy Medium, can of Coke
    [ ] Heavy, PDA or small digital camera

    5) What kind of "bulb".
    [ ] LED - more rugged, unlikely to burn out in your lifetime, less accurate color rendition, in general less output but more efficient (longer runtimes)
    [ ] Incandescent - can be very bright, more accurate color rendition, burn out or can be damaged more easily, shorter runtimes, very noticeable dimming as batteries deplete
    [ ] HID - like new car headlights in color, very, very bright, can be had in lights as small as a Mag 2 D cell but generally larger spotlight sized lights, no dimming turns off when battery depletes
    [ X] Don't care, just want the best fit for my needs.

    6) What batteries do you want to use? Alkaline batteries are easier to find and less expensive but don't pack as much stored energy and are don't work well in cold temperatures. Lithium batteries have long shelf life (10+ years, great for stored emergency lights) and are not as affected by cold but must be kept dry and are more expensive. Rechargeable start expensive, but if used frequently pay off quickly.
    [ X] I want common Alkaline batteries. (AA, AAA, C, D)
    [ ] I want lithium batteries. (coin cells, CR123, AAA, AA...)
    [ X] I want a rechargeable system. (an investment, but best for everyday use)
    I used to vape, so I still have some chargers from the batteries I used for my vape mods etc.

    7) How much light do you want? Sometimes you can have too much light (trying to read up close up with a 100 lumen light is impossible).
    [ ] I want to read a map, find a light switch/keyhole, or get around the house at w/o disturbing anyone. (5-10 lumens)
    [ ] I want to walk around a generally paved area. (15-20 lumens)
    [ ] I want to walk unpaved trails. (40 lumens)
    [ ] I want to do Caving or Search & Rescue operations. (60+ lumens)
    [ X] I want to light an entire campground or dazzle an intruder. (100+ lumens)

    8) Throw vs Flood: Which do you prefer, lights that flood an area with a wide beam, or lights that "throw" with a tightly focused beam? Place an “X” on the line below. Sometimes a flood is better particularly closer up or indoors. You won't have to "sweep" the light back and forth to see what you need to see. You can also just set it down pointing the general direction rather having to point it right at that which you are working.

    Throw (distance)--------------X--------|----------------------Flood/close-up

    9) Runtime: Not over-inflated manufacturer runtime claims (like some LED lights). but usable brightness measured from first activation to 50% with new batteries. Understand that runtime is a function of brightness and capacity of your batteries. If you want 6 hours you'll either have big batteries or dimmer light, they haven't made a setup yet that lights up like the sun, runs all night, and fits in your watch pocket. ;)
    [ ] 20 min. (I want the brightest light for brief periods)
    [ X] 60-240 min. (1-2 hours)
    [ X] 240-360 min. (4-6 hours)
    [ ] 360+ min. (More than 6 hours)

    10) Durability: Generally the old phrase “you get what you pay for” is very accurate for flashlights.
    [ ] Not Important (A “night-stand” light.)
    [ ] Slightly Important (Walks around the neighborhood.)
    [ X] Very Important (Camping, Backpacking, Car Glove-box.)
    [ ] Critical (Police, Fire, Search & Rescue, Self-defense, Survival.)

    11) Switch Type:
    [X ] I don't care.
    [ ] sliding switch (Stays on until slid back.)
    [ ] clickie switch. (Stays on until pressed again.)
    [ ] momentary switch. (Only stays on while held down.)
    [ ] rotating switch

    12) Switch Location:
    [ X] I don't care.
    [ ] I want a push or sliding switch on the body near the head.
    [ ] I want a push switch on the back end of the body.
    [ ] I want a rotating head switch.
    [ ] I want a rotating end-cap switch.
    [ ] I want a remote control.

    13) Operational Modes: Check all that apply.
    [ ] A simple on-off is fine for me.
    [ X] I want 2 light levels. (Brighter/short runtime and Dimmer/long runtime.)
    [ ] I want multiple light levels. (some lights have 5-16 light levels.)
    [ ] I want a strobe mode. (blinks to show location.)
    [ ] I want a tactical strobe. (Flashes rapidly to disorient an opponent.)
    [ ] I want S.O.S. flashing

    14) Is it important whether the body is metal or plastic/composite? In this case "plastic" and it's variants does not mean "cheap" or poorly made. In many applications a plastic bodied light is preferable, hard use and water resistance comes to mind; think caving or lights that get dropped or abused.
    [X ] I don't care.
    [ ] I want a metal-bodied light.
    [ ] I want a plastic/composite light.

    15) Special Needs: Is there anything else you want or need that hasn't been mentioned? Circle any below or write in your own comment(s).
    [ ] Red (night vision preserving) filter
    [ ] Other filter colors (Amber, Green, Blue, _________)
    [X ] Waterproof – how deep: __2-3 Meters___________
    [ ] Non-reflective/dark finish (stealthy/hard to find)
    [ ] Polished silver or brightly colored finish (for easy locating)
    [ ] Corrosion resistant or hard-anodized finish
    [ ] “Hybrid” light (bright incandescent combined with long running LEDs)
    [ ] Built-in second (or spare) lamp or filament
    [ ] Belt/Jacket clip
    [ ] Holster
    [ X] Wrist/Neck Lanyard
    [ ] Kuboton/self defense features
    [ ] Non-sparking Intrinsically Safe (IS) for use in explosive environments
     
  2. Mumbojumboo
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    Mumbojumboo EDC Junkie!!!!!

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    This is form is so out dated.

    Check out Zebralight.
     
  3. killarat

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    You mentioned tactical and 2 modes - I guess Surefire G2X Pro will fit.
    Or you might want to consider Olight S2 Baton (non tactical tail switch) or Striker.
     
  4. HeavyHauler

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    A Fenix TK47UE.

    But you need the buttontop 18650's, but maybe the flat tops would work too. Haven't tried em yet.
     
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  5. Westerdutch

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    Since this is your first real light it might be a nice option to go for a decent but budget light so you can find out exactly what it is you want in a light before you spend 100 bucks. Convoy makes some of the best budget lights that punch way above their weight, for 15 to 20 bucks shipped you can have a 2800ma light in a tint and number of modes of your choice and they run on your 18650s. Check out the convoy s3 on fasttech for example.
     
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  6. Vartz04

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    I really like my Olight SR1
     
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  7. oldblazer

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    Foursevens Quark Click QK2A-X. I run mine with two Eneloop rechargeable AA batteries unless I need maximum brightness for security duties, then I run AA lithium. Simple mode selection between bright and dim.

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  8. Barbourman04

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    I'd go with a olight s1a

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  9. Holliday

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    None of those are tactical flashlights, which is what the OP was looking for.
     
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  10. Loc-Nar

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    I swear by Fenix lights. I have a UC35 that is 900+ lumens, and your charger plugs directly into the light. It's a bit long for what you stated you were looking for, it's about 5", but I do pocket carry it. Try looking at the Fenix LD12, it's 300+ lumens, uses 14500 or a single AA. Probably closer to the size range you were looking for pocket carry.


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  11. Vartz04

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    What makes a light tactical?
     
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  12. Holliday

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    There are a number of attributes that determine whether a light/torch is tactical:
    • Type of switch
    • Location of switch
    • Lumen output
    • Candela
    • Beam profile
    • UI
    • Size of the light
    Those Olights maybe check one of those boxes (lumen). In fact, those lights are the antithesis of a tactical light. One of the main complaints of that series, is that the button is hard to find. Not exactly what you'd want in a high stress situation.
     
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    The op also said that he doesn't care about the position of the on/off and to be honest, doesn't sound like he really needs a some dumb tacticool light. S1a is simple to use, has strobe, 5 power outputs maxing out of 500 lumen. Timer mode and last mode memory. Fits all of the categories he is looking for

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  14. Holliday

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    With respect, the OP doesn't know what defines a tactical light. If he did know, he wouldn't have asked the question here. And the type of switch absolutely matters (among other things), as to what makes a good tactical flashlight.

    This isn't some "dumb tacticool" recommendation. The recommendation is based on industry wide parameters. The light that you, and a few others have recommended does not meet those requirements.

    It is not even considered a tactical light by the very company that produces it.
     
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    That's right. He probably doesn't know what a tatical light actually is. And if you read his requirements, the light that I suggested and others suggested meet those requirements that he wants.

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    He may not know how to specifically word what he wants in a light, in terms of industry jargon, but he voiced his most important requirements.

    Your recommendation is a very poor choice as a tactical light, and it isn't even debatable. If you don't understand why that is, perhaps you should do some further research.
     
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    I love how you can twits his requirements to fit your arguement. If he wants a tacticool light for home security, then he needs a separate light for said need. All of his other requirements involve edc use and travel. Many of the olight flashlights would be great for what he wants. Stop being "that guy" and let the him look into all of the suggested lights and make his own decision.

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  18. Holliday

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    Why is it that everyone else was able to understand the OP's needs and recommend a proper light?
    If you understood why the light you recommended isn't the right light, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

    Be careful with statements like that, I was respectful to you, and now you are just coming of as yet another person on that company's payroll.
     
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  19. Barbourman04

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    First off, I'm not the only one who said something about olight. Nor am I the only one who has suggested lights that aren't tacticool. As for sounding like I'm on their pay role, really??? Piss off. I like their products I have used other lights but I like olight. I've shot other guns and own a few different brands. I prefer glock. Does that mean glock pays me? No its my opinion. But as you have shown, you are the only one right here. Not kindly go about your business. This arguement has taken to much of my time.

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  20. dmattaponi

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    Thrunite Archer 1Av3...tailcap switch capable of momentary on/off, crenulated bezel, high of 200 lumens (with mode memory), and it even has a "tactical" strobe mode if that suits ones fancy. It would even make a perfectly acceptable regular everyday carry light too if one wanted to ignore the tactical features and just use it for more mundane purposes like seeing in the dark.

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