First and foremost i did search and it seems this hasn't merited an actual thread, which sounds silly because c'mon it's a keychain gizmo! Apologies for eventual redundancy, i didn't mean to. I've developed an allergy to my fat rattling keychain. If im in a shell jacket it's usually muted but in fancy get up (happens more and more these days), i dont feel too sexy with a jingly pocket and it really goes downhill with the yelping and hissing from when keys stab my thigh while sitting or standing up Found a keysmart clone from one of those chinese online discount ultrastores that sell literally everything. Surprise surprise it didn't work very well and not for lack of trying on my part. No retention whatsoever. At least it was cheap and can probably be cannibalized into good future use. Friends, if you have experiences with these key-holder-folders(?), would you please share your pro and con thoughts? Suggestions on models and makes that do work? I have a few round-shank one-sided lever lock keys, som i'm looking for a thing that includes plenty spacers and accomodates keys that are just over 3 inches / 8 cms. Do these gadgets work if haning from a carabiner or is gravity always an issue no matter how well-made the thing is? I don't care if it's a fancy brand name product or a knockoff, priority 1 through 10 is function. Pics: post 'em if you got 'em! PS: priority 11 would be one that's made of copper or brass.