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Discussion in 'Handguns' started by mrtwohands, Aug 30, 2017.
That is what I am worried about. Unfortunately, there are none around me for to handle one.
Do not buy a Sub 2K. It is underwhelming in nearly every performance metric, coupled with a mix of brilliant and disappointing design.
- horrible trigger. Really.
- Screwed together plastic halves... My red dot sight is never going to be repeatable on the Gen2 top rail.
- the MLOK slots are not strong enough plastic... The MI folding red dot simply cannot hold zero. I will not trust the MLOK for anything more than a light (no lasers).
- The magazine catch is out of specification compared to Glock.
- Recoil is terrible, especially if you actually practice off axis shots without a braced shoulder.
- Miserable gun in the cold of winter when it is freezing.
- safety location is dictated by the design- and poorly placed.
- Folding capability is cool and the latest Gen2 sight updates are workable.
I have had four Keltec guns. I started with a P32 15-16 years ago, and I shot it today. Two pistols have gone back to the factory - that's half. Great gun. Everything that followed was underwhelming if not embarrassing. Unfortunately, I kept buying to hope to get some of the .32 vibe back... The Sub 2k was a gun I desired for a decade, but have regretted the purchase from the first range trip.
If you want a solid blowback gun, there are numerous better designed and more reliable options. AR, CZ, MPX, etc.
I wish you wouldn't "Sugar Coat" it like this,tell us how you really feel!?
I have a 1st Gen S2K. Used to make an ideal car/RV travel gun for me in the Northeast were there's virtually no reciprocity between the states with CCW handgun permits. It qualifies as a long gun, which you generally didn't need a license for across most states here, yet you could easily and discretely move it in/out of your vehicle in a ubiquitous laptop case.
However, after all the mass shootings, especially Sandyhook, assault weapon laws have drastically tightened up and the rifle has been specifically blacklisted in some states.... so there goes that. Still, if a real bug out situation, I think I might go with the G19/S2K pair-up for pretty good defense capabilities in an ultra -light/-compact Grayman travel rig.
My thoughts Exactly!
Except for the Roller Blades of course.
It took a little work but I ended up with a very reliable 9mm carbine that's quite accurate within 100yds, easy to shoot and fit within the limited budget I had when I bought it. Clearly it's not for everyone.
I like your pack set up! Very neat and organized. Your idea of pairing the G19/S2K is a great idea. I might want to duplicate that.
Thanks but I certainly can't take any credit for G19/S2K pair-up - that's what the S2K was designed for.
I will say it was impossible for me to find a G19mag S2K (most sought after version?) .. I finally gave up and got a G17mag version, and then cut the grip down. In hindsight, it worked out well though - the factory cut looks like an after thought.
Don't forget a G26 as a BUG - takes both 15 and 30 round Glock Mags.
As well as the 17 round and 22 round Magpul!
This is why I like mine so much,it can be small but mighty as needed with different mags.
I didn't realize there were different versions of the Sub2K though for different length Glock mags?
I don't have a G19 so I never really thought about it,I just stuck my G17 mags in it.
It was almost impossible to find mine as well and now I wonder which one it even is?
Just the G17 and G19 versions AFAIK, but I haven't followed them since Gen1. Guess if you excess space (~1.5 bullet's width) at the bottom of the mag, then maybe it's a 19 version?
Thank you everyone for all of the replies. I am still kind of on the fence about getting one. Even more so now since I made a trip to the LGS. They had a Mossberg 590 Shockwave and it felt awesome in the hand. I might be leaning more towards that just to be honest. Who doesn't like a shotgun.
I tell ya. There is always something to buy and when you least expect it. Luckily this time it's a good unexpected. Got offered a great deal on a Gen4 G23. I may have to take them up on it and wait on the Sub2000. But then maybe get a 40 Sub2000....hmm. Almost endless possibilities.
The Sub-2000's make a great discrete carry rifle. Not equal to any full sized rifle caliber but, a great match for 9 or 40 pistols. More punch, range and accuracy.
I own 2 first gens (9 & 40), love them. I have not had any real issues but I don't fire them everyday.
If you can find one, get it. Yes, some folks don't like Kel-Tec and for good reasons, no argument. But, I own 4 Kel-Tec's and have not had to get them worked on or sent back to the mothership.
If I did not own one, I would buy one, with all I know now.
The Sub2k isn't exactly the hassle of carrying a rifle, and as for it not being a rifle caliber, having a folding carbine that takes the same mags as your carry pistol has obvious advantages. One type of ammo to carry (although you could carry different loads for each since you would get much different performance between the Sub2k and a regular pistol, something like liberty munitions civil defense 9mm through a long barrel? Can you say heavy fragmentation?), one type of magazine, so your spare mags can serve double duty.
I totally understand the concept. I don't carry a Glock or old S&W so the mag compatablily just isn't there for me. I do think pistol caliber long guns have some role, especially since longer guns = more velocity and sight radius, which makes hits at distance easier. Although with dots being put on carry guns, I think a Glock 17 sized 9mm with RMR may be just about as accurate at distance.
I wish the Kel Tecs cost the $300 they were worth. And if I could get them in my preferred carry mag (shield or 1911) I would own one for sure. But I have a 300BO SBR that I'm thinking about adding a folding stock to, which gets smaller than this folded and way more powerful deployed.
I’ve owned 3; two 9mm and one .40. They are good alternatives to a rifle as long as you remember their limitations- they are a pistol caliber and will hit like one at extended ranges. That means if you want a rifle, get a rifle. I would buy one again in a heartbeat!
did they really make one for the old S&W? I have the mags and guns here.
The variants are listed on their website. https://www.keltecweapons.com/rifles/sub-2000. Several options available.
I would swear they used to make them for the older double stack S&W pistols, before the M&P. might have to look around to find out for sure as I'm not an expert...
I added the LAW folding adapter to a 5.56 pistol... makes a very compact package, very solid to shoot...the standard pistol buffer tube shouldered gives me nose to charging handle