I've never seen so much snobbery in that forum. I responded to a post asking about the HK Turmoil OTF and I told him I bought one for $120. He asked wow where ?? I posted a link but they've been OOS for months. I got an infraction for posting a link not on their vendors list. That's not the only snobbery I've ran into and there was plenty but this was the last straw so I told 'em up yours and logged off for good.