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Help A Firearms Oppressed Canadian find a .223 platform!

Discussion in 'Handguns' started by SpyderPrepper, Apr 5, 2014.

  1. SpyderPrepper

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    Hey All!

    I need some help finding a good .223 platform for myself. Here's the problem though, because I live in Canada, our firearms laws are draconian and highly restrictive. So I need some recommendations for a .223 rifle that meets the following criteria:

    -barrel must be over 18.5" from bolt face to crown
    -Cannot be an AR platform of any variety
    -Cannot be an AK47, 74, or other AK variety
    -Cannot be less than 1.75 feet when completely "collapsed"
    -Magazine cannot hold more than 5 rounds (not so worried about this one, I can have an existing magazine pinned to 5 by a gunsmith).

    It's not that I can't own ARs, its that if I do the police have a right to check in on me without a warrant whenever they see fit to make sure I'm obeying all our firearms laws. I do not agree with this nor do I want to be part of it. So I was thinking I have a couple of options:

    -Ruger Mini 14 perhaps with an after market stock?
    -Norinco Type 97
    -Bushmaster ACR

    Any other suggestions or thoughts on models I should check out??

    Spyder
     
  2. Matthew03

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    Wouldn't the Bushmaster ACR fall under the same criteria as an AR? If not, why do they discriminate against AR's and not all military rifles/carbines?

    If it isn't maybe the SCAR L should be added to your list of possibilities.

    I think if I were held to five rounds or less I would go bolt action, maybe in a heavier caliber as well. What is the purpose of this gun for you?
     
  3. mlehto

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    AR 15's are controlled firearms by name, just like handguns in Canada.

    Somehow because they are black and scary they are more deadly than a Mini 14.

    OP you should join Gunownersofcanada forum or Canadiangunnutz forum. You will get all the answers you need.

    From your choices Id go with the mini 14 if u want optics.

    The Type 97 id cool but the irons suck andmounting optics is an undertaking.

    There is also the AR 180b, and Keltec SU16 to consider...
     
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    I would recommend the Mini 14. Great gun for the money.
     
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    I don't know your reasons for wanting a .223, but if you are receptive to another caliber , you might want to look at an M1A which meets all the criteria you mentioned ( except for the 5rd max magazine) but is chambered in .308.
     
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    +10 on the Mini 14. I bought my dad one of these stocks for his and he is very happy.

    Archangel Sparta Stock for Mini 14 / Mini 30 / Mini 6.8

    Note: these are pics from the web, my father lives on the other coast of FL and I don't have any pics of his guns on me. Sorry.

    His is setup similar to this (bone stock).

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    Here is one all decked out....

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    In my opinion, the Mini 14 is "the other black rifle". It doesn't carry the negative stigma that an AR does.
    By the way, I have both an AR and a Mini 14. The AR is a better gun for various reasons, but unfortunately you aren't allowed to own one.
     
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    A couple other options...

    New (or older) Keltec SU 16 series... Particularly the new SU 16E. I owned a SU 16C with the AR/pistol grip stock for 2 years (same gun as the SU 16E pretty much, but a shorter barrel). I replaced it with a 7.62x51mm platform. It was a great gun.

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    If you are stuck with a semi auto.. check out the new MVP Flex Bolt Action in .223. I have not owned this rifle, but I have shot a buddy's on several occasions.

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    I second the Kel-Tec SU16, I believe the F model is Canada compliant. I've owned the B model for over 7 years now and have put over 2k rounds through it without a hitch. Don't expect it to take the abuse of an AR, burn 3 mags through it quickly and it will heat up dramatically but it's a great platform that uses AR mags and folds up to a nice lightweight package. There are websites that are dedicated to Kel-Tec products, do a search and check it out.
     
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    Robinson armament XCR the only non restricted 223 ar mag style.

    And your wrong about not needing a warrant. They do.


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    FYI mini 14 is also non restricted


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    LOL

    You are absolutely wrong!

    Thanks for coming out...
     
  14. fire-medic-911

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    Other than norinco type 97 bull pup crap


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    Typo


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    If you do look into the xcr. Get the gen 2 xcr L. Super light weight in comparison.


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  17. SpyderPrepper

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    Thanks for the suggestions so far! It doesn't absolutely have to be a .223/5.56 but with respect to why I want it, numerous reasons I suppose: a) .223/5.56 is pretty plentiful and cheap up here relatively speaking b) I don't own a semiauto centrefire rifle c) .223 seems to be the most common platform d) why not? hah

    Basically, I just want a black rifle that won't saddle me with restrictions and government registration lists. I will look into the M1A as well.


    That's part of the sheer stupidity, our laws basically go by name rather than something more logical. For example, our law states that any firearms based on the M16 platform are controlled. They use this as a catch all for most ARs. However, firearms like the ACR and SwissArms Classic Green are uncontrolled because they are not specifically named (although if the police get their way this will change soon).

    Protect your gun rights my American friends, lest you end up like us....:(
     
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    You're right, I stand corrected.
     
  19. fire-medic-911

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    You won't be disappointed with the xcr. Beast


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  20. mlehto

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    If it doesnt have to be .223, then you should take a serious look at the JR Carbine, or Thureon Carbine!

    9mm is much cheaper, and a great plinking round even out to 100m.

    10 round mags and pretty :censored: tacticool!