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EDC weapons in plain sight.

Discussion in 'Personal Security Devices & Self-Defense' started by jackknife, Aug 5, 2012.

  1. jackknife

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    Getting old is the proverbial female canine.

    The hard realization has finally hit me that as a senior citizen I am now firmly in the cross hairs of the predators. With htis realization comes the appreciation of the weapon in plain sight factor. As much as we work out, keep in shape as much as we can, the ugly truth is that we slow down a bit every year we manage to survive another birthday. If push comes to shove, every saved fraction of a second makes a difference in defending ourselves against a younger and faster attacker bent on taking waht's left of our social security check from our wallet.

    I guess I never thought about it much until recently, and the indecent in Key West, and how we are seen by the stalking wolves that are looking for the old deer at the back of the herd. When I was in my 30's, I never had a problem anywhere. When I was in my 40's I never ha a problem anywhere. Heck, I never had a problen in my 50's either.

    I did have a incident or two in my 60's. Late 60's.

    It seems like the probability of needing all these weapons and skill to use them while a young man, is unlikely. The predators aren't looking for a fight. They're looking for a cheap and easy meal that won't hurt them. Some young dark haired guy in his 30's is not on their menu. But the white haired old guy on a cane is maybe the blue plate special to them. I know that I always knew this on a lower level, but now it's come up in sight to me with a clarity that I never really had before.

    Now I really see the importance of a weapon that is not a weapon. The so called common everyday object that can be right in hand without looking suspicious. Being right there in hand it;s ready for instant use with no groping, pulling out, drawing. Just suddenly use. A cane, pen, AA minimag, whatever.

    I only have really been reflecting on this as one of my neighbors was tried by a would be mugger. Nicer little lady named Mary, all of five foot three or four, silver hair. A retired operating room nurse. She came out of safeway with her basket, pushing it to her car when a young would made his try. Kind of a "Hey lady," trying to get her attention while waling toward her. Mary kept walking and the guy walks faster to overtake her. Mary gets to her car, and instead of taking out her keys, she takes out her pen, making like to cross something off the list on her piece of paper. The guy goes to grab her arm, telling her to keep quiet and hand her the wallet. Instead, Mary jams the pen into the guys face with no warning. She nails him a few times, while screaming bloody murder, and the guy runs off.

    Talking with Mary afterward, she tells us that she knew it was going to be a attempted robbery from the way the guys was acting. Looking around, nervous, making sure nobody was that close. Mary had taken some defense classes, and was carrying an all metal pen recommend by the defense guy that was teaching the nurses when she was still working at the hospital. It was right there in her hand when the guy got to her, and as she saw him coming, it was natural to take out the pen and act like she was fiddling with her shopping list.

    Of course the police picked the guy up in 15 minutes. He was bleeding from some good torn wounds in his face, and one of Mary's strikes had almost taken out an eye. This is the second time some older woman in my neck of the woods has used a pen in self defense. A few years ago, a lady in her 70's was sitting in a church of all places, writing, and an attempted assault took place. In that instance, a plain plastic stick pen did the trick.

    Most of my neighbors are in the senior citizen age range. It's an older established neighborhood, with most of us being here for over 20 years. Lot's of empty nesters, and we all get together for BBQ's and socializing. The subject of defense has come up now and then, and most of the men all carry some sort of stout walking stick. Some of us men folk have got together down a basement and practiced with our sticks on an old duct taped up duffle bag. Being Maryland, guns aren't in the cards, so we make do. But the weapon in plain sight has become more appreciated now than when we were young. We're not as fast, so if something saves us a second, we'll take it. It just may give us a little jump on the wolf that thinks we're the deer at the back of the herd. If that's considered dirty and underhanded, so be it. We'll leave the fair fights to John Wayne. That stuff we trained in when young is of very little use now. I did the karate thing back in the 70's, but now with arthritis I couldn't begin to do those moves. Most of my friends are the same. We realize that we've got old somehow, and it's time to rethink the whole approach.

    Sneaky, and using some everyday object right in hand at the get-go is a good place to start.

     
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  2. Skipperbrown

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    Carry a gun, a cane made from dense wood the diameter of a bat, or have a big dog. There is an old saying about picking a fight with an old man. He will just pull out a gun and kill you because he doesn't want to take a whooping. I'm old and I carry a gun. If Mary had been my wife and my wife as alert, the sucker would have been shot 2 or 3 times and likely bled out in the parking lot. Finally, most evil takes place after midnight and before dawn. Make yourself scarce during these hours.
     
  3. Sriracha

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    If you are old, the chances of getting injured in a physical confrontation is increased dramatically. While stabbing a thief in the face with a pen sounds great (I bet it felt great too!), The little old lady put herself at substantial risk. What if he had a knife? or worse? Just be careful. If you are older with reduced strength and agility, your weapon may be used against you or stolen by the perp. I know we are all street brawling macho men here, but sometimes being smart means not being tough.

    That being said, nothing beats a stick. Collapsible baton gets my vote.
     
  4. jackknife

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    This is the Peoples Republik Of Maryland, and guns are not in the picture for the citizen inmates of this gulag. So we must make do with less than lethal weapons that we can press into service when needed.
     
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    It never ceases to amaze me that people think that weakness will make everything "okay" in a violent altercation.
     
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    ???
     
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    I was talking about the guy with hot sauce for an avatar, not you. ;)
     
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    Metal water bottle with a sturdy attachment point with a bandanna tied through it.
     
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    She was professionally trained to use the pen as a kubaton, risk was minimal if she reacted as taught with full force and intent. He had bad intentions regardless of her reaction.
     
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    I say hoo-rah for Mary...
    I am a big fan of OODA loop disruption and it sounds like she did a great job!
    Commit to the action and continue until they run...
     
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    Ok, reading the title and then the actual thread was a big difference. I honestly thought I was going to see some diatribe for open carrying of knives and guns and such. lol. Nice surprise to read more about the "hidden in plain sight" stuff.

    Mary did an excellent job. I do see it as a bit risky personally from the aspect he had to get within arms reach and hard to know if he'd approach with a knive or not. Though she clearly had the initiative on her side. Bravo! I've always like the pen as a defensive tool simply because I feel it's easier to explain than why you used a knife on someone (blood is corrosive....just sayin)
     
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    Easier to explain is one thing that's nice, but we have an insane state with more insane laws to navigate. Not just the fact that CCW of firearms is a huge no-no, and not going to change anytime soon. But even carrying a small fixed blade knife is a no-no. Under Maryland's crazy 'pen knife' law, any knife that does not fold is illegal. In other worlds, a tiny Buck Hartsook is a concealed weapon, but a Large Buck or Kershaw in a pocket in not. There's also weird laws on 'intent' of use as a weapon. The law abiding citizen has a huge handicap to defend ones self here. So there's a cult of under ground using common everyday tools/impliments for self defense. Pen's, tire pressure gauges, canes/walking sticks, screw drivers, whatever. Meanwhile the punks still keep on using cheap kitchen knives for threat and intimidation of robbery victims. Or just pick out elderly victims to strong arm rob. The strong arm robbery is becoming a very big deal here because the courts are too easy on a punk who does not use a weapon in a robbery. This sets the stage for anyone with gray or white hair to be mugged by some young punk who grabs his victim and tells them to give it up or get beat up.

    This is exactly what happened to Mary. A young punk grabbered her arm, and was going to strong arm her. I'm sure he never expected to almost loose an eye getting stabbed in the face by a little silver haired retired nurse.

    I hate getting old, but I really hate getting old in Maryland!!!!
     
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    You just described (not so great) Britain, where all advantages are with the lawless and the abiding are constrained cattle. Hand to hand is the only even slightly viable option (though legal repercussions are still a concern), but I hate to think what will happen when (not if) I lose the strength and energy for that!
     
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    Well, what will happen is that you will be like the old deer at the back of the herd, and the wolves will be prowling. This is where I find myself now, along with my wife and most of our neighbors. Being a social security old fart can be fun, lots of time to travel on those trips you fantasized about while stuck on the job. On the other hand, the wolves will single you out because you look like easy pickings. We have to resort to under handed trickery and sneak attacks. This is where the weapon in plain sight coems into it's own for an "older" person. To have a innocent looking everyday object right there in your hand to start. Who thinks of a pen as a weapon? Or a Sharpie or a small screw driver, or even a teaspoon? A teaspon with a nice taper handle that comes to a blunt point is a great stabing weapon when held by the spon end. It will make a med of a throat r eye socket, and will be distracting as all hell.

    The old saying is partial truth; age and treachery will win over youth and skills. At least we hope, if we cheat enough.

    But it's galling to say the least, when your own state and local government helps the criminal by passing totally insane laws that make us resort to this insanity. I'd really prefer to be able to just carry my little J frame Smith and Wesson .38 revolver in my pocket. But that's not likely to be unless I move. That's not too likely at this age either. It's hard to leave family, and friends, let alone the cardiologist and other doctors you know on a fist name basis. (Just joking, sort of.)

    I guess living in the peoples republik of Marylandistan I'll have to do like people in NYC, Chicago, London, and improvise.
     
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    Sounds like maybe it's time to take the fight to the capital. Start asking why they pass laws that make the elder generations into targets. Start trying to get bills through to lighten the insane laws and introduce stiffer penalties for attacking anyone say, over the age of 50, or something like that. It can't hurt to try. We were able to get the use of sound suppressors legalized here in Washington State, something I thought we'd never be successful at.
     
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    Believe me, we're tried for years. Maryland has gun rights groups that have been trying, but I don't think I'm ever going to see CCW in my life time. The liberal east coast Dems are not going to permit it. Just this past summer, the Second Amendment rights group got a judge to rule that Marylands "May Issue" was unconstitutional. The state attorney, a political ambitious jerk and pupit of the liberal governor, got a stay and now more court arguments are needed. They were due to start issuing permits in Septembner, but that's on indefinate hold now.

    The only way we'll ever get to practice our second amendment rights will be to move out of state. Maryland, New Jersey, New York, and Massachusetts will never change. I think Chicago and surrounding police state may be on that list.
     
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    I'm not familiar with the exact issue in Maryland. Has the specific argument that you made been raised? It seems that if it was made an issue of age even some of the liberals would be for it. Seniors are a very large voting block, politicians always think twice before going against them.

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    That's tough. Never have understood what they're so afraid of.
     
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    It would drive me crazy to live in an 'overly restrictive' place.
    I'm in TN. The laws here are fairly sensible.
    Blades 4" fixed or folders.
    Batons allowed if you take a class (mostly on the use of force laws).

    I most often have a small Baton that looks like a maglite coming up out of my pocket.
    I generally have a knife clipped to Bags when I am carrying one...an Izula or a gryphon M10.
    No one ever notices them as they are all black and blend in.

    I'm not old yet but I can feel it coming :)
    Training to be a tough old man!
     
  20. jackknife

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    Jeez Bagnerd, you live in TN. If I lived in TN I'd be carrying a nice little Ruger LCR or chiefs special. The only d--, reason I bother with non firearm weapons is I live in a Atlantic seaboard Socialist Republik. I sure don't bother with non firearms for the fun of it. If I had my druthers I'd say the hell with a small baton and gimme a .38.