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Doug Ritter announcement

Discussion in 'Knives' started by Scooter70, Dec 13, 2016.

  1. Scooter70

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    I saw this posted by Doug on another forum (not sure if I can link to it here or not).

    I love my Ritter Mini and have been wanted to add a full sized for a while, so I bit the bullet and ordered one while I could.
     
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  2. Ken Watson

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    Wow that is very sad! I have a full size Ritter in M390 and its one of my favorite knives. Maybe I should buy a mini and a spare large before they cease to exist. :(
     
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    I own one, purchased several years ago. Nice knife, however the reality is that as a survival knife, which is what it was developed as, there are a rather large number of better, more economical knives on the market today. RAT1, ESEE Avispa, Victorinox OHT being obvious choices.
     
  4. Ken Watson

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    So because you can buy an aus8 liner lock for less money, it doesn't matter if they go out of production? Uh.. OK...

    It sounds more like Benchmade have made a call to not produce them any more rather than a lack of demand. Either way I think it's a bummer. Plus Doug is a spokesman for knife rights in general, I'm surprised Benchmade would not support him. Hopefully another manufacturer will. His post seemed to imply that could be the case.
     
  5. chaosmagnet
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    My Ritter MiniGrip has been my EDC companion 90% of the time since 2009 -- I wrote a long-term test review at http://forums.equipped.org/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=273025. Totally bummed about this. I already had a full-size and mini M390 versions in the safe, I was able to order one more of each to resell later, give to my daughters, or as spares.
     
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    The knives you mention don't work as "better" for me, not being made from as good a steel (for my uses) and not having the Axis lock. I don't care for frame locks or liner locks so much. If you prefer AUS-8 and a liner lock, rock on.

    I'm not aware of many knives made from as good a steel (again, for me) with a similar operating mechanism at the same price point. As a competitor for the full size RitterGrip, the Spyderco Manix 2 would be a great choice in S30V. I'm not aware that they've made one in M390. In the mini-Grip size in S30V or M390, I don't know of any competitor at that price point with something similar to the Axis lock.
     
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    I don't know that these knives are "better", but they are more economical. I think the knife would do better if it were marketed as an EDC knife, but the "survival knife" aspect of its marketing has probably hurt its sales.

    I'm going to guess that it's going out of production because it's not selling enough pieces.

    I think that part of what hurts the Mini-Grip is that the handle "feels cheap" for its price point. It combines premium steels and a good lock with a lack-luster handle. The standard Mini-Grips are in the same price range as the Delica, but the Ritter Mini-Grips are competing with G-10-handled knives. I have a Mini-Grip and see no issue with the handles, but I do think there is an element of value perception involved.
     
  8. earthman

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    Yes, very sad news indeed.
     
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  9. Ken Watson

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    I dunno...I guess maybe the reason BM has decided to stop making them is because the volumes have declined... but the wording of the actual post from Doug doesn't read that way...

    I don't think there's much debate about the fact that a handle material upgrade at a modest price bump would make the griptillian knives a wider appeal in general, Doug Ritter version or not. My Doug Ritter has Jade G10 handles on it. I didn't mind finding them and installing them but a lot of people just want a knife that's G2G right out of the box. I have a sheepsfoot blade G10 griptillian as well and I don't mind it, but it has less traction than a plastic handled version and was expensive for what it is. A less "fancy" version that still has G10 seems like it'd make sense.

    At any rate we can all argue about the why or the why not, I still think it's a shame. Will be interesting to see if DR partners with someone else. Something with a compression lock derived from a Spyderco PM2 but with a broader Doug Ridder style blade would be insane.
     
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    That's not the first time I've heard of such a perception. The handles work very well for me and I'm all about function over form. With that said it seems like the knife market has really taken off, and people are much more willing to spend big bucks on a nice knife.
     
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    And Benchmade also has their own entire line of upscale Grips now too so it is understandable that they might have been cutting into sales of theirs with the Ritters too?(pun intended of course)
     
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    How about this line:

    As you may recall, we do not comment on future knife introductions.

    What if they'll just introduce impoved versions of the existing models and simply want to sell old stock quickly?
     
  13. Scooter70

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    Doug's last post on bladeforums:

     
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    Super glad I got a couple extras.
     
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    I really think that more means they're working on finding another company to collaborate with, which mean whatever might come next would be a totally different knife.

    I am still hoping for a PM2 based collaboration with Spyderco! I think the knife is a good fit for a Doug Ritter version, other than the price. That would be a significantly more expensive knife than the MK1. Maybe Kershaw makes more sense price point wise. But they don't make many thumb stud knives any more and I doubt Doug is looking to do a spring assisted flipper. Hehe...
     
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    I could see a Ritter Manix for sure!
    Already a similar line as the Grip really,2 sizes,similar locking,Different Scale & Blade options,Made in U.S.,Blade already more "Rittery".

    Maybe too simple but I would buy one I think.
     
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    How about a Ritter Para? Or a Ritter rif on the Delica? Delica and Mini-Grip already compete and are similar in size.

    Spyderco has quite a number of knives in the size class as the Mini-Grip (Delica, Sage, Salt, Native...); seems to me it wouldn't be too hard to add in a Ritter version. Just don't know if their marketing would want to!

    L'chaim!

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    Yeah, I have to agree with that statment. Frankly none of the Griptillian knives have a particularly comfortable handle. Personally I wouldn't care to use one for substained cutting without gloves. And I state that as someone who owns three Grips of various descriptions.
     
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    Point to consider: A survival knife is not an EDC or Bushcraft knife. High end steels are all very good and wonderful but trying to resharpen one in the field requires specialist sharpening tools. Which you might not have. A survival knife has to be sharpenable with a rock.

    Ofcourse its also worth noting that Spyderco & Benchmade were, not so many years ago, touting AUS8 as the latest ├╝bersteel. In my book AUS8 is still a good choice.
     
  20. Ken Watson

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    Meh. If you want a rock sharpen able true full on survival knife buy a fixed blade made out of 1095 and call it a day. That said m390 sharpens fine on just about anything. It's slower than aus8, sure, but it also needs it less frequently.

    Whatever though, I'm still hoping mow that the Para 3 is out that Doug can do a Ritter-ized PM2 and PM3. Haha
     
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