I have to admit I was taken by surprise reading all the 5.11 love here. I don't have an ax to grind. I have several pairs of 5.11 pants I thought were great until I discovered Vertx. With that said, 5.11 seems to be universally hated for one reason or another in various gun forums. After reading the 5.11 bag thread I watched their video on the Rush system and it seemed quite impressive and well thought out. I don't understand where all the bad mouthing comes from. Maybe mall ninja's in 5.11's? So are they about the best organization out of the box?