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Concealed Carry License opinions?

Discussion in 'Handguns' started by darth_guy101, Dec 4, 2011.

  1. bdcheung

    bdcheung Loaded Pockets

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    You have a right to bear arms; that does not imply the right to hide a firearm, hide any type of firearm, bear any type of firearm, etc.

    Concealed carry is not a right.
     
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  2. JonM1911

    JonM1911 Loaded Pockets

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    I think perhaps you should re-read the definition of "bear".
    http://m.dictionary.com/d/?q=bear&o=0&l=dir
     
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  3. bdcheung

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    "Sorry, but we were not able to complete the look-up at this moment. Please try again later."

    But here's a definition I found from another site (emphasis mine):
    bear1    [bair]
    verb (used with object)
    1. to hold up; support: to bear the weight of the roof.
    2. to hold or remain firm under (a load): The roof will not bear the strain of his weight.
    3. to bring forth (young); give birth to: to bear a child.
    4. to produce by natural growth: a tree that bears fruit.
    5. to hold up under; be capable of: His claim doesn't bear close examination.
    6. to press or push against: The crowd was borne back by the police.
    7. to hold or carry (oneself, one's body, one's head, etc.): to bear oneself erectly.
    8. to conduct (oneself): to bear oneself bravely.
    9. to suffer; endure; undergo: to bear the blame.
    10 to sustain without yielding or suffering injury; tolerate (usually used in negative constructions, unless qualified): I can't bear your nagging. I can hardly bear to see her suffering so.
    11. to be fit for or worthy of: It doesn't bear repeating.
    12. to carry; bring: to bear gifts.
    13. to carry in the mind or heart: to bear love; to bear malice.
    14. to transmit or spread (gossip, tales, etc.).
    15. to render; afford; give: to bear witness; to bear testimony.
    16. to lead; guide; take: They bore him home.
    17. to have and be entitled to: to bear title.
    18. to exhibit; show: to bear a resemblance.
    19. to accept or have, as an obligation: to bear responsibility; to bear the cost.
    20. to stand in (a relation or ratio); have or show correlatively: the relation that price bears to profit.
    21. to possess, as a quality or characteristic; have in or on: to bear traces; to bear an inscription.
    22. to have and use; exercise: to bear authority; to bear sway.
     
  4. JonM1911

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    Um...thanks for helping me prove my point? TO CARRY...the end. The Founding Fathers werent idiots, a loaded gun at home doesnt do you any good when you're in town. They knew people needed to right to not only own weapons, but also carry them every day, especially then, when defense of the country was critical. To think that the 2ndsystem Amendment simply means I can keep a gun at home only, completely misses the point of the Amendment.
     
  5. bdcheung

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    I think you need to re-read my post. The one where I said "Concealed carry is not a right".
     
  6. JonM1911

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    Once again, carry period is a right. You're splitting hairs between OC and CC, carry period.
    Sorry my :censored: phone keeps adding system after 2nd....
     
  7. mpi

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    the second amendment makes no distinction between oc and cc! many states don't either. in my state oc is perfectly legal with no paperwork at all, you don't even need to carry ID in ay form!
     
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  8. darth_guy101

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    Ok, the way I see it, the 2nd amendment says that our right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. I take that literally, as in: nothing (and no one, not including private property) keeping us from carrying what we want when we want to. Personally, I wouldn't open carry a huge handgun or long gun simply because it would be impractical. The point is that I can carry. Laws only affect law abiding citizens, not criminals who pray on law abiding citizens. And to the comment about "a few hundred needless deaths and injuries": those needless deaths and injuries, while tragic, might be a necessary evil to prevent a holocaust of millions 30 years down the road. I don't carry because I am not yet of legal age to carry in Texas.
     
  9. T.H.Cone

    T.H.Cone I am senor Fluffy, hear me roar

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    Just saw this headline on Fox. "Newspaper chain plans 'state-by-state' concealed weapon databases". I ask facetiously, "Why would they want to do that?"

    Just another reason for "constitutional carry".
     
  10. patientcero

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    Well they won't be able to in every state as many now have legislation in place to protect those from a FOIA request. The last newspaper that tried that got some ugly backlash, like having their staff addresses published as a result.
     
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    +1. Didn't read the whole thread because this sums it up.

    I read these a lot and have a hard time believing that would be the case where I live. Blows my mind.

    Edit: auto-incorrect
     
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  12. T.H.Cone

    T.H.Cone I am senor Fluffy, hear me roar

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    In southern NY state, right? I want to say Rockland county I think.
     
  13. patientcero

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    Yea it was somewhere in NY. I just know it didn't turn out like they expected, but ultimately it was good. It was the spark for some of the legislation to prevent future transgressions in other states.
     
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  14. Wishoot

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    I'm going to get flamed for saying this, but based on my observations at many gun ranges, I think that just like getting a drivers license, people should get some basic training before being allowed to carry a gun outside of their home.
     
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  15. kertap75

    kertap75 EDC Junkie!!!!!

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    How about making gun education part of the school curriculum? I think it is always better policy to educate children then to shelter
     
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  16. cowsmilk

    cowsmilk EDC Junkie!!!!!

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    Well, if we can learn about sex in schools, why not proper gun safety?
     
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  17. thekapow

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    1+ or just personal safety in general, many people could use some situation awareness and conflict deescalation skills. I had wrestling and swordsmanship (thats how far europe has come) in school when i was younger, might as well add some gun/hunting safety
     
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    I can get behind this kind of thinking but I don't know how to best apply it. Some people think showing a valid ID to vote is a hardship, but there's all kind of rigamarole to get a CCW or driver's license.

    Why is it okay to vote with no process and not drive a car that way? Or vice versa. The answer is that it's not okay, we just don't treat them the same way. I don't know if I communicated it very well but that's what I mean by I have trouble applying it.

    That said there are some good suggestions above me.
     
  19. Wishoot

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    I think this would be a great idea. They teach my kids archery at school, why not firearm safety?
     
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  20. kertap75

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    I really think they should. Unfortunately most of the politicians that suggest requiring training to own a gun don't really want better trained gun owners. They want less gun owners. Or they want an income stream by charging crazy fees for approved classes
     
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