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Concealed Carry License opinions?

Discussion in 'Handguns' started by darth_guy101, Dec 4, 2011.

  1. darth_guy101

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    What do all the handgun carriers think about CCL's? Do you think they are a good idea? Do you think they are constitutional or not? Thanks in advance!
     
  2. JonM1911

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    Ok, well to the point of a CCL, I do not think I should need one, anywhere, period. The Second Amendment guarantees me that my right to keep and bear arms will not be infringed upon. As a side note, I read the other day someone said, the 2nd Amendment doesn't give you the right to bear arms, it guarantees you that right won't be infringed upon...just something to think about. Anyways, so that is my stance on the whole issue, I should be able, as a law abiding citizen, to carry when and where I want, assuming it is not private property, then it is up to the owner.

    Since we live in a socialist country and our rights are slowly ebbing away, I'll take what I can get. I've had my CCL for a little over a year now, and carry when and where I can. I'm to the point where I feel naked without a gun on my hip. The new law they are trying to pass is a catch 22. On one side, I see it as a good thing, setting a federal standard and everyone recognizes everyone else's permit. However on the other hand, I see it as one more government intrusion. For example, in Indiana, an 18 year old can acquire a CCL. Obviously they can't own the handgun, but they can carry say, their father's. Should that be made null by a national law? Also, I wouldn't be happy until I have the same carry freedom as a LEO. There's no reason I shouldn't be able to carry on an airplane or into a government building. I'm not a criminal, so what's the problem?

    Overall I like them, though I feel we shouldn't need them. Also I do believe that we are still restricted way too much on where we can carry. Ohio just passed the ability to carry into an establishment with a Class D liquor license, meaning I can carry into a restaurant or bar, as long as I do not consume alcohol. Seeing as I rarely, if ever, drink, its nice. Just my thoughts.
     
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  3. Brules

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    I agree with Jon. I don't feel that an LEO has anymore right to carry a gun than any other lawabiding citizen. I also feel I should be able to carry in any state.
     
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    In theory, the license is a great idea....to make sure there is a background check performed and some basic education for those who are allowed to carry. In reality, it's pretty much :censored:, all it seems to do is cost law abiders money, when your average criminal can easily get a gun and carry concealed anywhere. I'm praying Florida will soon pass open carry...we came close this past year....
     
  5. JonM1911

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    We have OC, but I'd rather not send people into a panic...we all know guns have minds of their own and start shooting things...Although a LEO on the gun forum I frequent said he was working plainclothes with a gun on his hip and badge on his belt, had a 15 minute convo with a gas station clerk when the guy asked the LEO what he did. He pointed to his belt and said the guy's eyes just about flew out of his head...aka people are unobservant lol.
     
  6. SchHrdKncks

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    The original intent of the bill of rights including the second amendment was a limitation of federal power and that the power would remain with the states. The second doesn't not guarantee your right to bear arms it guaranteed the federal government would not infringe upon your rights. The states could still limit your right and that would make the ccw laws constitutional unless they go against your states constitution. Every federal gun law is unconstitutional but you would need to look to your state constitution to see if your state laws are constitutional.
     
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    This site (The Concealed Carry Association) has what I've found to be a lot of useful info: https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/ It seems to cover everything from Second Amendment issues to practical tips for concealed carry. One cool thing I've found especially useful is the interactive map that shows if you have a concealed carry permit in X state what other states have reciprocity with yours.
     
  8. JonM1911

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    Um no, the states can't limit your right to bear arms. If that were true, they could also limit your freedom of speech, religion, press, could search your house without reason, quarter NG troops in your house without your consent, etc. The Bill of Rights, more specifically the 2nd Amendment for this discussion, guarantees that the rights you have will not be infringed on by any level of government.

    "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
    That says nothing about letting the states decide what they do and do not like.
     
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  9. Kilted1

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    The Supreme court in the recent McDonald case agreed. The 2nd amendment is now "incorporated" which means it takes precedence over state and local laws.

    There are three and a half states (Vermont, Alaska, Arizona and Idaho outside city limits) that allow CC without a permit. There's a reason it's called "Constitutional Carry".

    "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms . . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes . . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
    --Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria in On Crimes and Punishment (1764).

    The question I have is, why do I need a permit to exercise a "right"? The criminal class carries what, where and when they like.

    Beginning with the National Firearms Act of 1934 and the Miller decision in '39 (I think), we lost a lot of rights over the following 50 or so years. The pendulum has been swinging back the other way, slowly we are getting our rights back but with many strings attached.

    The Miller decision itself is interesting, The sawed-off shotgun in question was deemed to be a regulated weapon because it was not in military inventory and was deemed to have no military value. Using that logic, I should be able to get an M16 easier than a Cricket.
     
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    Yes the Original intent the states could limit your rights some states even had state churches. The idea was you had thirteen choices now fifty and you could fix things at a state level. The states wanted the bill of rights in order to ensure the fed gov would not interfere with those rights and that they would be left to the states. The heller case did incorporate it and that is why I said original intent. I would rather have Indiana take away my gun rights than than the Feds. If I could not fix Indiana then I could move to another state. Once the federal government makes a law I can not get away from it. The original gun laws came from states and the fed gov was not involved in them because the second amendment kept them out of it.
     
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    I would hate to get caught carrying illegally and lose my right to even OWN a firearm. In my state, Oklahoma, when CCW passed, penalties for carrying illegally got way tougher. I have carried legally since 1997
     
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    We CCW in WA so I don't have any issue with it. I wish all states would recognize and honor CCW carriers from other states.
     
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    Contact your Senator and urge him/her to support Bill H.R. 822 (see Bill here). This Bill just passed the House on 11/16/11. If passed, anyone with a valid concealed carry permit would be allowed to carry in any state in the nation.
    This is HUGE if you carry!!! Please go HERE and find the info for your state reps and send an email, a letter, make a call, etc. and urge them to support this Bill.
     
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    I live in the People's Republic of Massachusetts where it's up to the police chief in every one of the 351 communities to decide whether you can have a CCL.
    The rural community chiefs are great, the town chiefs ok, the city chiefs forget it.
     
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    Thank's for the link. This is the way it should be. Here in GA it's called a weapon's carry lic.
    Allowing cc of all weapons. Once the feds have you on file you should be able to legally carry
    in all states. The one thing I feel is good about the lic, is that it gives law enforcement a clue to
    who is a good guy or bad guy.
     
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    You have a much rosier view of government than I. Shouldn't we all be good guys until determined otherwise?
     
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    I have mine and while I do not carry everyday I wanted to get it just in case somewhere down the line the ability to obtain one goes away
     
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    I have my CCW and I do not own a firearm. I figure sometime down the line I may and I want to be prepared. I had the day off, so a 10 minute trip and $20 later I was the proud owner of another form of identification.

    When I told the Sheriff my reasoning, he just laughed and continued on. Guess he thought it was funny :)

    I guess I didn't mind getting the CCW, but it'd be nice if I could have just been able to do that from the get go. I do understand why the law would want to take extra measures but sometimes it seems so silly.
     
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    I don't mind having to get a permit. The class I had to attend was worthwhile and a good review of both criminal and civil laws regaring the carrying and use of firearms. The cost was not unreasonable. I would compare it to the process one goes through to get a driver's license. Of course, there's no constitutional right to drive a car, so the comparison breaks down there.

    I guess we could just let anyone carry, whether they know the laws or liability issues relating to justifiability of deadly force or not, and let the court systems work it all out for us after the fact. It might take a few hundred needless deaths or injuries but eventually people would learn what not to do just by trial and error, eh?
     
  20. JonM1911

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    Maybe we should require a class and license to own a gun period then too, eh? The point is I have a RIGHT to keep and bear arms and the Constitution says it shall not be infringed. If I need PERMISSION, it is no longer a RIGHT.
     
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