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"Carry Rotation"...... huh?

Discussion in 'Handguns' started by medic68, Nov 3, 2019.

  1. medic68

    medic68 Loaded Pockets

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    Call me old fashioned but the only "carry rotation" I ever had was my duty weapon and the personal weapon I carried off duty. I read some of the posts here and some of you guys must change your "carry" weapon like you do your underwear. I've also noticed many of these weapons look brand new as do the rigs they're shown with and appear to have never been in any rotation, along with the knives that appear to have never been used. Somebody convince me there's a need for a "carry rotation" other than summer and winter options.
     
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  2. nosuchagency

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    let's clean that up...

    seems you have an agenda.

    is there a question in there?
     
  3. medic68

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    No agenda. I just am curious, in my old age, as to the "need" for a carry rotation. I can see swapping out carries based on mission and clothing. Seem's like some folk have a Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, etc. type approach and I find that interesting.
     
  4. indigo_wolf

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  5. indigo_wolf

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    EDC is required to be needs-based. Some people collect cars, motorcycles, etc.

    Knives, guns, and other EDC related items aren't that much different. Some of the rotation might be scenario-based, but not required. I someone likes and buys 5, 10 or 100 knives... and actually wants to carry them instead of safe-queen them... there's your rotation.

    ATB,
    Sam
     
  6. medic68

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    Valid point Sir but doesn't address my question.

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  7. indigo_wolf

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    Was being momentarily snippy, because I just found out the filter on the dishwasher needs to be cleared before I run 1 1/2 loads through. Going to miss some beauty sleep tonight... and one of the fur tribe missed evening roll call.

    Hopefully, my second response was a bit more cogent.

    ATB,
    Sam
     
  8. ccwaters

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    Kinda like food isn't it? I'm sure you could survive on a very basic daily menu which would fully meet your nutritional needs. Whats the old cliche? Variety is the spice of life?

    Coming to an EDC forum and asking why people change gear more often then they change a pair of underwear seems akin to visiting a gourmet cooking forum and asking why they feel a need to devise so many different ways to cook a slab of beef?

    The obvious answer is not due to practicality or need. Though depending on profession it could.

    Once basic requirements are covered whatever that may be, it becomes something pleasurable which makes one happy.
     
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  9. medic68

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    indigo, I completely understand how that would irritate a person. As for knives, I have the "purchase affliction" myself. Let me illustrate my OP point. Back in the early 70's I took a job with a private security firm in Rhodesia. The assignment was straight forward, provide armed transport for a number of bush trackers. Many farmer's co-ops were becoming more anxious about insurgent infiltration routes and their holdings. We would escort these guys out to various areas and they would determine how many people were coming across the border, the direction of travel, etc. Jobs that today would be done by sensors was done on the ground then by guys who literally smelled the ground. My colleges and I became friendly with a man by the name of Onderdonk, a Dutchman whose family had come with the British back in the 1890s sometime. He was a pleasant man, hard-working and not faint of heart. The weapon he was carrying was an old Webley .38 revolver. One (for that time of year) chilly evening in December we came upon him arguing with one of the local Shona trouble makers who was threatening him with a hatchet. As we got close it became apparent this was escalating and Onderdonk had taken a more defensive posture towards the guy, moving his body sideways and placing his hand on his weapon. When the guy launched his attack, Onderdonk had drawn his weapon and should have been able to fire a minimum of two rounds into the guy's chest without any problem. I'm not saying that would have stopped the guy I'm just noting that that's what we all expected to see and hear. Instead, nothing, the guy struck him twice with the hatchet, both mortal wounds. When he tried to strike him a third time he was shot and killed by the team. Upon inspection, it was noted that Onderdonk wasn't carrying his Webley but had a new Browning Highpower 9 MM in his hand. A VERY desirable weapon for that place and time and an apparent early Christmas present to him from a nephew. The safety was engaged and it became apparent that he had not mastered the manual of arms for the weapon. It cost him his life.

    My opinion may sound cliche but, you fight the way you train. Going from a DA/SA SIG on Monday to 1911 on Tuesday and a Glock on Wednesday isn't anything more than mental masturbation nor is it tactically sound. The manual of arms is all different and could cost a man his life.

    As for coming to the forum and asking a question, that's what it's here for.
     
  10. Tallboyjim

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    Nothing wrong with mental masturbation is there? I carry a knife to hack into boxes and general bits and bobs, not to storm the Normandy beaches.
     
  11. plumberroy

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    I have 4 guns that I carry . All are gen 4 glocks set up and sighted in the same . I carry a glock G42 daily for security at church I carry a glock G29 for the times I want more than the 380 but not the 10 mm I have a G26 I also have a G20 . All sights and controls are the same
     
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  12. medic68

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    Sir, you validate a core principle of the OP. Thank you!
     
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    I have always run my carry guns like this. I carried Springfield XD's for a long time. The Gen 4 Glocks allowed me to reverse the mag release and made the glock G20 comfortable for me to shoot (lefty). At the time Springfield XD wasn't available in 10mm so I made the switch to glocks . The Glock 42 is far more accurate than a 380 normally is . I even carry it as a woods bumming gun. A role that my Ruger SR22 was filling
     
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    I wouldn't see there being much "need" to rotate beyond how one is dressed; definitely more of a want. And yes, it's good advice to keep the same manual of arms between defensive weapons. That said, one can train to be proficient on multiple platforms and we don't always know who on the forum is up-to-speed in that regard. Plus, it's social media, and we humans like to show off our possessions now and then (meaning it may or may not be a bit of a fib to state that there's a genuine "rotation").
     
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    There are two approaches I see;

    The first is just an elaboration of your 'duty' and 'personal' weapons - every gun has its good and bad points, and it is up to the user how finely they want to tune the weapon they have with what they are doing. Where you may work long the lines of carrying one weapon at work, and a different one at home, others may have a few more categories that vary with the clothing they are wearing, where they are choosing to go, or the perceived threat of wherever they are.

    The second are the enthusiasts who enjoy the collecting aspect, and will vary what they carry to make use of the multiple firearms they own, or to pick whichever they feel they prefer on any given day.

    Obviously there is a significant crossover between the groups, and ultimately there is no line that can definitively divide them.

    There is definitely something to be said for the muscle memory and reliability of a known platform that you are very familiar with. It is up to each user to find the point they feel happy with and a system that works for them. In the eyes of a 'one gun' guy the collector may seem horribly inefficient and dangerous switching weapons regularly, while in the eyes of the collector, sticking to one gun means regularly carrying the wrong weapon for the situation...
     
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  16. medic68

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    I had to chuckle at this part of your reply and I think you hit one of the major things that erks the :censored: outta me. Easy to tell who "that guy" is, the one who posts that he just spent the day at the range with his XY or Z and then posts an Art School posed picture of the weapon that's SO good you can see zero wear on it. Brings a smile to my, fifteen years of photo analysis face.......... :rofl:
     
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  17. medic68

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    I think your spot on in your comments in a number of respects. Regardless of what is carried it's always a crapshoot if the balloon goes up as to whether you're carrying the best weapon for the situation. I still try and shoot every Sunday after church with my carry revolver, THAT'S how old school I am but there's always a Glock or 1911 to shoot with the kids and grandkids. My problem, in many ways, is conditioned by my experiences and training. Just an opinionated certified old guy :smile_coffee:
     
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    I think this line about nails it...to which I’d only add...magnified by time spent on gun forums. Why do I say this? Because I’m guilty of it. I do okay when I stay off the gun forums, but as soon as I start surfing, I want to start buying again. We can justify it all we want, but I can only carry and use so many guns, in so many imagined scenarios...

    I have often thought to myself, that if only I had never stumbled onto the Internet, I’d be completely satisfied with a single handgun, and would never of known what I was missing ;-)


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  19. litework

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    I think a lot of people touched on why they rotate. I typically carry the biggest gun I can. I can't always carry the gun I want to carry. Sometimes it's a Shield 9mm in the pocket because I'm traveling and need something I can carry easily. Sometimes it's a Glock 20 in a shoulder holster because bear and large dogs are a bigger concern than people who might see my gun. And sometimes I'm just in a hurry and carry a gun that's convenient rather than going without.

    As far as knives are concerned...a knife is more often than not the worst tool you could choose for daily activities - a definite compromise. It's convenient because it's in your pocket but I almost never find myself in a situation where I'm so desperate that I cannot find something more suitable for the task...scissors, machete, ax, saw, pry bar, gun, angry dog. I'm in a safety sensitive and unforgiving field, so I typically exercise an abundance of caution.
     
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    This discussion isn't really for me, since we are not allowed to either carry or defend our selves, but I can to some extent understand why some would rotate, or rather adapt their carry.

    Being a competition shooter, I shoot a lot with certain guns. I feel very proficient with those platforms, and that is what I would carry if there was a significant threat level. However, under the current threat level I'm likely to never have to use a gun to protect myself or others (thankfully, since that option doesn't exist), and I would not be able to motivate myself to carry something the size and weight of a full size or even compact handgun with ammo and magazine(s), at all hours, every day, just to be prepared for something that is unlikely to ever happen.
    For me it would be the smallest and lightest handgun I could shoot comfortably and reliably. Just like with cameras, any gun is better than no gun (at least most of the time).
    Hence also I fully understand why someone would adapt their carry to be suitable for the situation, and why people that face a stable threat level might never feel the need to rotate.
    I would never rotate guns based on mood, themes or to justify owning it. Carrying in public involves a huge responsibility, and although it might not be something I necessarily shoot proficiently, it would need to be as familiar as possible in operation and handling.
     
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