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Alternative to a sap

Discussion in 'Personal Security Devices & Self-Defense' started by webley445, Jan 30, 2007.

  1. webley445

    webley445 Loaded Pockets

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    Can anyone think of a common type item that could be used as an alternative to a sap?
    Something unobtrusive that could be carried in back pocket without raising eyebrows.
    Maybe even be modified or weighted?
     
  2. Flash

    Flash Loaded Pockets

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    Padlock and a belt.
     
  5. webley445

    webley445 Loaded Pockets

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    Hmmm, I think the padlock would not really give close to the same results as a sap. thats wallet looks like it deserves a little more research though.
     
  6. Gadget Guy

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    I just thought of a great idea! How about a Atwood Tack strap holding whatever gadget that will fit? It really would have the same effect as a sap, but no one would even know the its a self defense item. Just a thought... ;D
     
  7. webley445

    webley445 Loaded Pockets

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    Yeah, I was thinking of similar, like a long sheath filled with lead.
    (Guess great keyboardists think alike :highfive:)

    But I know the idea is nothing new, could swear I've seen it before more than once.
    Then there is knuckleduster's "coin purse/change holder" I saw posted here too.
    Guess great keyboardists think alike :highfive:
     
  8. Deaths Head

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    If I could find a person that works with nylon or leather, I am sure I, with the input of others, can design a very good Sap style wallet.
     
  9. outlaw918692000

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    I had one of thoes money belts and filled it with led shot. It looked like a dress belt and in a second you could pull it off, then you had a flexible baton with a pound of lead at the end.
     
  10. knuckleduster

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    I still like this guy. Use it every day! It has a strap on the back for slipping a and through. I packed 50 quarters into it which is quite a load! Will go into my car or backpack.

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  11. pipedreams

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    An old sock and $4 worth of nickels. ;)

    todd
     
  12. saniterra

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    Try a pair of socks, one sock inside the other, full of sand or gravel. Hence the term "sandbagged".
     
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    There's also the old generic police keystrap made out of good leather (most of them are junk), loaded with between 8-16 oz. of keys. Of course, you're supposed to use old keys, found keys, and rejects from key duplications so you don't put your actual keys at risk. Ayoob suggested this in his book "Fundamentals of Police Impact Weapons." What was rare for him was in failing to state the legal justification for a cop to carry up to a pound of useless keys was. Granted the book was written circa 1980 and was never updated, but given his strong bent toward having one's ducks in a row before the assault takes place, AFAIK he's never addressed this since then. Of course, if I'm wrong, please point me to where it is, because I've been wondering about this for years!
     
  14. Lunal_Tic

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    Well not just nickles but that's what happened to the "odd sock" (the one that you never find the mate to) when going to the coin laundry. ;D

    In Japan I've seen that some "girl gangs" use those sloppy knee socks they wear filled with marbles as bludgeons.

    Just wondering, aren't saps generally considered offensive weapons?

    -LT
     
  15. Lugsalot

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    I always thought it was a sock full of quarters, but I guess you're getting off cheaper if you use nickels. Heck, why not go to pennies, or even rocks if you want to save some $$$ ?

    I'm sure a sap is considered an offensive weapon. Think about it. It's a bludgeoning device consisting of a weight that's wrapped in leather, both to prevent bloodloss and muffle the sound of the blow. It's designed for stealthily KO-ing unsuspecting...well..."saps."

    That being said, I'm sure it could be used defensively without too much fuss. I'll be the last person to say an object's design firmly dictates the manner in which it is used. However, I think the law would consider it an offensive weapon for certain.

    Great. They lure you in with those cute little sailor fuku and then *BAM!* out go the lights and there goes your wallet. Treacherous little harlots! :laugh:
     
  16. Lunal_Tic

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    The apartment complex next door to mine back in college had coin-ops that took a dime to wash and 15 cents to dry IIRC. Everybody in the area knew about them and weekends were not the time to do wash, serious waits. ;D

    -LT
     
  17. Stormdrane

    Stormdrane Loaded Pockets

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    The monkey fist, as mentioned, with a chrome steel ball bearing core and enough cord for a grip and attached to a keyring may work as an alternative to a sap.

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    Nice knot-work Stormdrane! :)
     
  19. CanDo

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    Nice, What knots are those between the monkey's fist and lanyard??
     
  20. Stormdrane

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    I've seen it called a few different names, but I refer to it as a lanyard knot or a boatswain's whistle knot.