Hello, If you don't know me, allow me to briefly introduce myself. I'm a member and a proud supporter here. I have a business degree in management and marketing, with some psychology thrown in for good measure. I have meet Jon briefly, and interacted with him here on the forum. I have no financial stake in the forum at all. In the 3 plus years I have been a member, I have been impressed by the sincerity, generosity, and camaraderie on constant display here. There are countless forums on the net, but none match the sense of community that exists here. Not clear on what a shill is? Read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill The below is an expression of my opinions and viewpoints, it has not been approved, requested, or even seen by anyone else prior to my posting. For all I know, Jon or a mod may choose to remove it them selves. Now, to the point. For those of you that are here to "shill" the forum or otherwise promote interest in yours or someone else's product, you should stop. Now. Even if you are an "independent product rep" you should stop. Here's a few reasons why: It's unethical. You are stealing from Jon, the forum owner. Your are unfairly diluting the quality of the product he is delivering to paid advertiser/sponsors. Do you want to promote your product on the forum? Talk to Jon, he is a fair person, and will be happy to negotiate a deal that benefits you both. If you can't work out a deal with Jon, then the next point is extremely relevant. You can still benefit from the forum without shilling. There are over 30,000 members here and the posts are easily searchable through Google and with other tools. You can passively obtain TONS of valuable marketing data without making a single post. Consider this as Jon's gift to you, and be thankful. And finally, you should realize that shilling is a double edged sword, and you are harming yourself. It becomes known to us which companies are guilty of shilling. When you are caught shilling, we are pushed away from your company and straight to your competitors. If we know how you treat one of our favorite places to hang out, why should we assume you treat your customers any better? If you are shilling this forum, you should realize that you are doing harm. You are harming this forum and yourself. The forum is a resource that you can nurture and benefit from while building customer loyalty. Instead, you are choosing to poison the crop that is feeding us all.