I would like the Forums help/suggestions for a 25L (give or take) non-tactical look backpack in browns or green. I will be carrying a "basic" shelter kit ( bivy bag, poncho, and liner), hydration gear ( straw, and two 32 oz single wall bottles) fire kit, a couple of maps and a minimum food assortment for three to five days. The bag needs to be in neutral colors without any exterior molle of velcro attachments. My ideal loadout is about 17 pounds including bag weight. I have a duty belt for personal protection etc. Uses will be in the field and urban. Thanks for your consideration and time! UPDATE: Well after going cross-eyed reading the 5.11 bag thread and looking at the EDC bag picture thread I think I've narrowed my choice down to either the 5.11 Covrt 18 or the Vertx Gamut 2.0. Anyone using either bag has a pro or con list on it?