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Recommend me an EDC/Theatre/Scouting torch

Discussion in 'Flashlights & Other Illumination Devices' started by Alistair Hammond, Dec 13, 2012.

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    1) Short Essay Question: What do you intend to use this light for?
    As the title suggests, mainly for EDC in my schoolbag, for a bit of theatre work in and out of school, and for some hiking/scouting stuff outdoors.


    2) What Region/Country/State will the light be purchased in?
    [ ] I will be mail-ordering or buying online, so this doesn't matter.
    [X ] I am in the UK

    3) Price Range: An easy question, but you may change your mind after answering the rest! :broke:
    [X] £1-15
    [X] £15-30
    [ ] $40-60
    [ ] $80-$120
    [ ] I have no limit!

    4) Format:
    PART A
    [X] I want a flashlight.
    [ ] I want a headlamp.
    [ ] I want a lantern.
    [ ] I want a portable spotlight.

    PART B
    Length:
    [ ] 1-2 inches. (Keychain sized)
    [X] 2-4 inches. (Pocket carry)
    [ ] 4-9 inches. (Holster carry)

    PART C
    Width:
    [ ] I prefer a long narrow light.
    [ ] I prefer a short wide light.
    [X] Doesn't matter.

    PART D
    Weight:
    [X] Very light, can't tell it's there.
    [X] Light, no heavier than a few keys or a small car remote.
    [X] Medium light, about the weight of a AAA MiniMag
    [X] Medium, slightly heavier than a AA MiniMag
    [ ] Heavy Medium, can of Coke
    [ ] Heavy, PDA or small digital camera

    5) What kind of "bulb".
    [X] LED - more rugged, unlikely to burn out in your lifetime, less accurate color rendition, in general less output but more efficient (longer runtimes)
    [ ] Incandescent - can be very bright, more accurate color rendition, burn out or can be damaged more easily, shorter runtimes, very noticeable dimming as batteries deplete
    [ ] HID - like new car headlights in color, very, very bright, can be had in lights as small as a Mag 2 D cell but generally larger spotlight sized lights, no dimming turns off when battery depletes
    [ ] Don't care, just want the best fit for my needs.

    6) What batteries do you want to use? Alkaline batteries are easier to find and less expensive but don't pack as much stored energy and are don't work well in cold temperatures. Lithium batteries have long shelf life (10+ years, great for stored emergency lights) and are not as affected by cold but must be kept dry and are more expensive. Rechargeable start expensive, but if used frequently pay off quickly.
    [X] I want common Alkaline batteries. (AA, AAA, C, D)
    [X] I want lithium batteries. (coin cells, CR123, AAA, AA...)
    [ ] I want a rechargeable system. (an investment, but best for everyday use)
    Note: AAs would be best, as I can borrow the 'slightly used' procells that can't be reused in radio mics, can't afford stacks of CR123s or other odd batteries.

    7) How much light do you want? Sometimes you can have too much light (trying to read up close up with a 100 lumen light is impossible).
    [X] I want to read a map, find a light switch/keyhole, or get around the house at w/o disturbing anyone. (5-10 lumens)
    [X] I want to walk around a generally paved area. (15-20 lumens)
    [X] I want to walk unpaved trails. (40 lumens) - If possible
    [ ] I want to do Caving or Search & Rescue operations. (60+ lumens)
    [ ] I want to light an entire campground or dazzle an intruder. (100+ lumens)

    8) Throw vs Flood: Which do you prefer, lights that flood an area with a wide beam, or lights that "throw" with a tightly focused beam? Place an “X” on the line below. Sometimes a flood is better particularly closer up or indoors. You won't have to "sweep" the light back and forth to see what you need to see. You can also just set it down pointing the general direction rather having to point it right at that which you are working.

    Throw (distance)------X---------------|----------------------Flood/close-up

    9) Runtime: Not over-inflated manufacturer runtime claims (like some LED lights). but usable brightness measured from first activation to 50% with new batteries. Understand that runtime is a function of brightness and capacity of your batteries. If you want 6 hours you'll either have big batteries or dimmer light, they haven't made a setup yet that lights up like the sun, runs all night, and fits in your watch pocket. ;)
    [ ] 20 min. (I want the brightest light for brief periods)
    [ ] 60-240 min. (1-2 hours)
    [X] 240-360 min. (4-6 hours)
    [ ] 360+ min. (More than 6 hours)

    10) Durability: Generally the old phrase “you get what you pay for” is very accurate for flashlights.
    [ ] Not Important (A “night-stand” light.)
    [X] Slightly Important (Walks around the neighborhood.)
    [ ] Very Important (Camping, Backpacking, Car Glove-box.)
    [ ] Critical (Police, Fire, Search & Rescue, Self-defense, Survival.)

    11) Switch Type:
    [X] I don't care.
    [ ] sliding switch (Stays on until slid back.)
    [ ] clickie switch. (Stays on until pressed again.)
    [ ] momentary switch. (Only stays on while held down.)
    [ ] rotating switch

    12) Switch Location:
    [X] I don't care.
    [ ] I want a push or sliding switch on the body near the head.
    [ ] I want a push switch on the back end of the body.
    [ ] I want a rotating head switch.
    [ ] I want a rotating end-cap switch.
    [ ] I want a remote control.

    13) Operational Modes: Check all that apply.
    [ ] A simple on-off is fine for me.
    [ ] I want 2 light levels. (Brighter/short runtime and Dimmer/long runtime.)
    [X] I want multiple light levels. (some lights have 5-16 light levels.)
    [ ] I want a strobe mode. (blinks to show location.)
    [ ] I want a tactical strobe. (Flashes rapidly to disorient an opponent.)
    [ ] I want S.O.S. flashing

    14) Is it important whether the body is metal or plastic/composite? In this case "plastic" and it's variants does not mean "cheap" or poorly made. In many applications a plastic bodied light is preferable, hard use and water resistance comes to mind; think caving or lights that get dropped or abused.
    [X] I don't care.
    [ ] I want a metal-bodied light.
    [ ] I want a plastic/composite light.

    15) Special Needs: Is there anything else you want or need that hasn't been mentioned? Circle any below or write in your own comment(s).
    [ ] Red (night vision preserving) filter
    [ ] Other filter colors (Amber, Green, Blue, _________)
    [ ] Waterproof – how deep: _____________
    [ ] Non-reflective/dark finish (stealthy/hard to find)
    [ ] Polished silver or brightly colored finish (for easy locating)
    [ ] Corrosion resistant or hard-anodized finish
    [ ] “Hybrid” light (bright incandescent combined with long running LEDs)
    [ ] Built-in second (or spare) lamp or filament
    [ ] Belt/Jacket clip
    [ ] Holster
    [ ] Wrist/Neck Lanyard
    [ ] Kuboton/self defense features
    [ ] Non-sparking Intrinsically Safe (IS) for use in explosive environments

    Cobra 6 Actual Uber Prepared

    Well, one option is something like this Fenix LD 12: http://www.tacticalleds.com/FENIX-LD12-S2-120-lumen-1-x-AA-battery-flashligh-p/ld12-s2.htm This torch is at the top of your price range, has way more lumens than you wanted, but still has fairly long battery life. This company sells slightly less expensive ones as well and has a reputation as a quality flashlight maker. For example, check out the Fenix E11 at about $26: half the price of the LD 12, but still with 105 lumens and two brightness levels.

    You might also take a look at 4Sevens flashlights as they also have some quality mid-price torches.

    In addition to your main light you may also want a wee keychain light such as the Streamlight Nano ... tiny, but surprisingly powerful. I realize that you're in the UK so there may be better buying options than the website I included here (no reason to pay for overseas postage if it isn't necessary). Good luck!
    Last edited by Cobra 6 Actual, Dec 13, 2012
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    bigfatton Loaded Pockets

    I have a Fenix LD10 and from what I can tell it is extremely similar to the LD12 (I'm sure there are more differences than I can see though) and it is a very affordable, dependable, and awesome light. I see you're in the UK and i'm not sure what it costs there, but I recently saw one on Amazon.com for 35 bucks (15 less than I paid for it a year ago...). You can't go wrong with a torch that takes a single, common battery. I use mine in the same way you want to use yours, a little bit of hiking, I work in a theatre, and it's just good to have in the bag.

    Alistair Hammond Loaded Pockets

    I've taken a shine (pun unintended) to the Fenix E21. £30 inc free delivery, takes two AA, tough, reliable, high/low mode and very bright when needed. I currently have an AA incandescent minimag and a Petzl Tikka+ 2 headtorch, so the fenix would fill the gap for a longer range light, as well as working closeup.

    Cobra 6 Actual Uber Prepared

    Looks like an excellent choice. I agree with Bigfatton about the positive qualities of Fenix lights, too.

    ProjeKtWEREWOLF Uber Prepared

    Can't really go wrong with a Fenix.
    It'll make you retire that Minimag into a dark drawer somewhere!!!! My first 'real' light was a Fenix P1D, and I was hooked afterwards! Have you tried www.flashaholics.co.uk? I'm sure that they're the same company, but I have a 8% discount code if you want; PM me!

    Alistair Hammond Loaded Pockets

    There's still a place for the old maglight. Sometimes I want things to be dim. 100+ lumens in the wings just to check a script isn't just overkill, it spills on stage and looks dreadful.

    Alistair Hammond Loaded Pockets

    That website doesn't appear to carry the e21, but they do the e25, and 8% of brings it to 29.40. Sounds good!

    ProjeKtWEREWOLF Uber Prepared

    Quite right, but how about a light with a low setting then???? Chuck another £10 into the mix and get a PD model Fenix, or look at 4Sevens lights? 48 lumens as the 'low' setting is MASSIVE!!!!!!!! I find between 3and 8 is more than enough even for checking on my patients at night.

    You can't really go too wrong with any of the reputable manufacturers. I even have a Balder SE-1 and it's alright, so low price doesn't ALWAYS mean low quality.

    Alistair Hammond Loaded Pockets

    The E25 goes pretty low actually (27 Lumens), so that'll probably do. I hate throwing decent kit away though, so I'll confine the Mag to a drawer somewhere as a backup.

    ProjeKtWEREWOLF Uber Prepared

    Whereabouts in Hampshire are you? My partner is from Micheldever.

    Alistair Hammond Loaded Pockets

    Halfway between Lyndhurst and Southampton.

    reppans Uber Prepared

    +1 on double digit lumens often being way too bright for use in dark conditions. If you need to the use the light in a theatre, which may be very dark, and your eyes are also dark adjusted, or you do not want to disturb other patrons, I would recommend a sub-lumen capable light like the Thrunite T10 (in your price range).

    Alistair Hammond Loaded Pockets

    The E25 I mentioned goes down to 27 Lumens, and I'll probably add some red gel (colour filter) to help preserve night vision. If I need it to be darker, I still have my mag and the Petzl headtorch, which has a red LED mode.

    wildborego Uber Prepared

    I swear i thought i read something about a scotch!!

    Sorry about that!!!

    ProjeKtWEREWOLF Uber Prepared

    +1 on a ThruNite. Great torches for sensible money.

    I honestly recommend you not throw money away on something that isn't genuinely right for you. I would consider a proper low low an absolute must for your work. You shouldn't need to carry 3 lights. A head torch and a hand held should be fine. Trust us on this one! ;)
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    reppans Uber Prepared

    Yeah, I did see your post. Guess I'm just a low lumen/rhodopsin junkie and use 0.3/3/24 as my typical LMH..... but I realize I'm clearly not normal.

    ProjeKtWEREWOLF Uber Prepared

    :censored:. Last post has vanished.
    Oh.....it's back.....stupid iOS

    Summary: 27 lumens is massive in a really dark environment. On a practical level, one headtorch and a decent handheld torch (capable of real low and real high) is far more realistic than 3 separate bits of kit in my opinion. I don't do your job, but I've worked in dark environments for going on 10 years and less is more.
    Fenix are great, but can lack a genuine low setting on some models.
    My concern is that you'll chuck a lot of money at it and not be happy.
    ha...I'm a bit like that; 0.3/3/300 though!!!! My thrunite TN11 backup light is set to 300ish/650ish!!!
    Last edited by ProjeKtWEREWOLF, Dec 14, 2012

    Racer Loaded Pockets

    Another +1 for the Thrunite T10.

    Alistair Hammond Loaded Pockets

    Thanks for all your advice; it is very much appreciated. The theatre stuff is very much a minority, this is probably going to be more for EDC and outdoors/scouting things, where the long throw will be useful. I think I'm going to try and get the E25 now, and look for a low-power theatre one for my birthday in march.