EDCF Buff?

[carrot]

Since Buffs have been getting a lot of buzz on the forums I wonder if there is enough interest that we could have an EDC Forums branded Buff? I see on their site that their minimum order is only 50, which is relatively small.

Of course we would need Jon's approval and a design that everyone can agree on but I think it would be really sweet.

So... Anybody interested?

They offer a few examples of customized Buffs here... http://www.buffwear.com/pages/customized.php

And here's a video on how to use one, if you've never seen this before... pretty much the ultimate headwear.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewVEK-AElDY

[Rothrandir]

Jon and I were talking about this on the phone just last night. I was thinking about getting them and handing them out as Christmas gifts this year, so if I could get them from him that'd be just great.

I believe it is something he is very interested in doing when time and money permit (just like everything else :P), but I do hope and expect it's something that he could have before Christmas at least

Actually, this is probably one of those things that would greatly benefit from some design input. What do you think would look good on a buff? A decent sized EDCF logo, or maybe a pattern of a bunch of smaller EDC logos? I personally would prefer something a little more subdued, but there. Maybe a black buff with silver or grey logo-ing?

[JonSidneyB]

;D

[shrap]

I don't mind getting another Buff if the logo/design looks ok, but as I stated in this post I would prefer something either useful, silly, or both:

http://edcforums.com/index.php?topic=2758.msg343869#msg343869

As a plus it would draw interest outside of just EDCF, maybe bring some more members into the fold.

Some random ideas:

- detailed maps of random location (similar to the silk maps handed out to pilots during WW2)
- commonly misspelled words, flash cards, basic arithmetic, chart of periodic elements
- Images from the Voyager Golden Record (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyager_Golden_Record), which was sent into deep space
- an EDCF logo that covers the entire Buff, not a pattern of little ones
- instructions on how to use the Buff
- XKCD "Map of the Internet"

[Coaster]

I think using the sand and olive colors from the patch would look cool. An assortment of randomly sized and oriented EDCF logos would be neat.

I think there are better things for printing information on. A $2 bandanna that gees thrown in an emergency kit is cool to have first aid instructions on (depending on if they can survive any use at all). I'd want one of these to wear.

Maps are useless unless you feel a tie to that location or are there. Maybe a topo pattern as a background would be ok.

[zenlunatic]

I would get one but probably not until Dec.

[knifeguy]

I would be down to get one, depending on the logo. I would love one in a darker, more subdued pattern. I think I would prefer one large logo or multiple organized logos as opposed to lots of little logos. Its to much action going on for me.

[shrap]

I'm not sure what you mean by "one of these to wear". Would you be more likely to wear a Buff printed with EDCF logos on it, or a larger more distinctive design?

I would prefer something interesting, not bland. I want something with some story behind it. If I wanted something plain I could just buy something off the shelf. But it looks like I'm in the minority here.

[JonSidneyB]

There seems to be quite a bit of interest in Buffs. I wonder if this will work.

Like I said after the PSKs ship out maybe there could be several Buff patterns. Not just EDCF ones. Maybe some of the stock patterns as well.

[carrot]

Well I've been thinking and I'll bet there's no one here who wouldn't appreciate having a few pages of the Pocket Ref ( http://www.pocketref.com/ ) or something very similar printed on theirs. If we used Pocket Ref we would need to get permission or pay royalties... which might be difficult... but imagine how cool it would be!

And of course the EDCF logo needs to make an appearance... but nothing too blatant.

[Coaster]

What I meant by "one of these to wear" is that I want to wear it, not pack it away in a BOB, so emergency info isn't really useful. I also can't see turning to my buff for advice on what to do for a sucking chest wound.

I like some of your ideas (periodic table, XKCD) but I want something that is related to the forum in some way. Otherwise why do it as a forum run?

I also wonder how readable smallish text would be on stretchy fabric.

[JonSidneyB]

I am not thinking of it as something tucked away either.

For the office worker wearing a wool coat every day and needs protection from cold bitter wind (tucked in a pocket until needed).

The person out fishing, or playing in the woods, keep one in the pocket and use for comfort as needed. Even going shopping and things get a bit nippy. Wear in until not needed then put in in a pocket.

I am more into things that get used myself. ;D

Fashion accessories are also EDC items too. If you carry it on you it is an EDC item. See, these are more edc than bug out bags but they are good for those too.

[JonSidneyB]

Here are some reasons for a forum run.

1. If people like them anyway the sales will help the forum

2. Off the shelf patterns could be made available.

3. There might be a pattern, color or look that some members might like but don't want to buy 50 of them. By finding a bunch of people that would like the same thing together we might be able to get more patterns.

4. Of course one with an EDCF logo would be fun as well.

[shrap]

You're right, some of the things I suggested were just my imagination run awry. None of them have anything to do with the forum.

Here is a more serious suggestion.

See the Subaru design on the customized Buff page (http://www.buffwear.com/pages/customized.php)? Replace the "Subaru" with "edcforums.com". In the background, have large solid logos of the things mentioned in the header (electronics, pens, multitools, keychains, watches, knives, bags, flashlights, clothes). I have never liked the logo, sorry.

You could also have the background be something like all the names of the members, all crunched up next to each other, with only spaces in between.

There is a good reason why many of their patterns repeat themselves vertically and horizontally: so that there is a good chance of seeing the main words of the buff when worn.

[JonSidneyB]

I think the suggestions were good.

Buffs are carried by some people every day so it's an edc item. If a bunch of people want a big smiley face that would be fair game. A buff that is carried everyday that is always smiling :).

I think all ideas are good as long as 49 other people want one too :laugh:

[Ajax]

I would wait to buy one if the forum was going to make a buy or the store was going to carry them.

There aren't too many of their patterns that turn me off but I would prefer a toned down one.
Dark or muted colors, not too loud pattern (paisley is ok).

[JonSidneyB]

I like toned down myself on something like this.

After I chat with them I will come back and see what develops in here. :)

[heathah]

These are pretty slick.

I had never heard of them before but now that I've seen them, I may have to snag a couple if you get them in the store, Jon.

These would be great for hunting season.

Do they have any dual-sided versions? For instance, camo on one side; hunter orange on the other?

Heath

[JonSidneyB]

I am not sure. I have not actually seen one. People keep talking about them and I will finally be able to afford to do something so I am going to give it a try.

The people have spoken :laugh:

[zenlunatic]

What is this PSK you speak of?

[JonSidneyB]

What is this PSK you speak of?


Here is a PSK thread ;D

It is jump starting the forum on the road to recovery PSK thread (http://edcforums.com/index.php?topic=24267.0)

[crossroads]

I would definitely be up for a few of these with the EDCF logo, can give them to friends and stuff.

[youngheart80]

I would definitely be in for one as long as it's "toned down". The one I currently have it plenty loud looks-wise for me and so now I want one for work-wear. A muted gray/charcoal with EDC would be cool. Or, since you're talking some of the standard colors, grab some merino wool ones and I may get one of each. :)

[Rothrandir]

What I am imagining for the buff would be something kind of like this shirt, but maybe a black buff with grey logos all over it in various orientations. Something very subtle, like in this shirt.

http://img.sierratradingpost.com/erez4/erez?src=ProductImages/1529R_01.tif&tmp=FullSize&redirect=0

[tradja]

These would be great for hunting season.

I hadn't used mine much before hunting last weekend in variable cold rainy/snowy conditions.  It was great for changing temperatures and activity levels throughout the day.  Mostly I wore it in what the Buff videos call the "Driving Miss Daisy" configuration underneath an orange baseball cap, but also used it as a neck gaiter, earband, and beanie.  It is obviously not as warm as a fleece balaclava but in most conditions it was just exactly enough.  One unexpected plus is that even when stretched over the ears, it doesn't muffle your hearing like most warm hats.

An EDCF Buff would be great.

[dewildeman]

I'd be down for one. Subdued "gray man" colors, maybe small EDC logos or maybe diagrams of useful knots.

[MetalMork]

Nice idea! I'd be willing willing to buy one! :D

^M0rk^ (who already carries a black buff)

[molawns]

I want one of the Merino Wool ones!
:woohoo:
I don't think they're customizable, though.

[JonSidneyB]

I am getting an account set up with them ;D

The PSK thing will be done soon then on to this.

[zenlunatic]

Sign me up.

[wenestvedt]

Wow, I like the wool ones, too.

[jeeves3443]

I would be interest in a few.
Their site has some pretty cool designs that I wanted to post but didn't. Though, I went through their site and gathered some of the ideas I think would work well for an EDCF logo'd product. Also, I think each of these patterns might be well suited for several different tastes; Based on the assumptions I've drawn about general opinions regarding design and style from the posts made here. Excluding the wool/combo advocates.


#1. I think this would look cool with different duotone (two color) copies of the EDCF logo. I.e. Black/white, white/black, black/OD, etc, etc.
#2. I like the 'scuffed/dirty' green, OD'ish with white text/logo. Stylish yet subdued, like camo.
#3. I think that's a map in the background(Everest?). I also think replacing that logo with an EDC logo and text would be somewhat inconspicuous and 'tell a story'. Different colors could really change how this would look. I'm thinking 'faded' green with black/dark green contrast.
#4. I threw this in there to be advocate for a few things.
A; the hunter's/active lifestyle people. Maybe there's hunter orange?
B; It's got reflective strips. Maybe an option? Not sure, just saw it and threw it in.
C; 95% UV protection/blockage. A very cool option I'd be interested in.
D; Other options/models include their insect repellent 'pre-wash;' said to last a certain amount of washings (< 100).

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/underdog3443/71051JPG.jpg#1http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/underdog3443/C27961JPG.jpg#2http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/underdog3443/C27835JPG.jpg#3http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/underdog3443/19023JPG.jpg#4


Hope this stirs some imaginations or helps to put some perspective on design options.

[landwire]

I am down for this as well. The merino wool would be nice. Like others have mentioned, I would want a muted color. Something that is not going to make me stick out. I enjoy being the gray man.

[El Verbo]

NINJA TIME!!! I'm in!

IF they can be in some warm earth-tones I am. Please refrain from any NERD-ALERT patterns. I like Rothrandir's suggestion. Subtle is good.

[brennan73]

I am in for this.

[straightpuke]

I am in for one also depending on the design and price.

[wenestvedt]

I am getting an account set up with them ;D

Hurry up, I am already writing my Christmas list (and my wife already knows that I ask for bespoke stuff via web forums) ! :7)

[Discobubba]

Bumping up the thread since I'm interested as well. I've been wanting to order quite a few Buffs for a while. I do like the idea of their "Knots" design but not so much the colors or overall look. I can't think of too many other useful tidbits of information one could use that'd be somewhat universally useful for people except maybe Morse code. Maybe some First Aid, ways to figure out direction/time, anything else might get too location or application specific.

Well either way, I'd love to pick one up and help support the forum in the process.

[JonSidneyB]

I need one more thing from them to get started but I think that person forgot about me. I emailed the lady that does the custom orders to tell the account person to hurry up ;D

[Chief-Yeah]

I know you're a busy man and I hate to be the one to bring this up buuut speaking of buffs . . . making any headway with this project ?
I've really been looking forward to this and and would like to see it happen.

[adnj]

I bought two of these back in the '90s for cold weather. I still have them too! They work great.

[fisk-king]

I would defintely be in on one:)

[Gryffin]

Ditto!

[JonSidneyB]

I was trying to do these last winter. It never got done because the forum went into the to red. I am willing to give it a shot again if it can be done in away that the forum will not lose money on it.

[carrot]

I was trying to do these last winter. It never got done because the forum went into the to red. I am willing to give it a shot again if it can be done in away that the forum will not lose money on it.

Jon, can you find out how many would be needed in order to get a custom printing and then we can see if it's viable?

Since nobody can agree on a pattern, how about a simple one with the EDCF logo repeating? I'll come up with a mockup later...

[JonSidneyB]

I will give Buff a call. I am trying to remember right now but I think I would have to at least get 100 made but might be totally wrong. It is one of those things where the cost goes down as the quantities go up.

[dozzer]

i would buy one :)

[jsmitty1967]

You can count on me for one. I could probably be pursuaded to two if it helps make it happen.

[JonSidneyB]

A special EDC Logo Original buff price break down.

If the run was for 25 units the cost is very high per unit and I don't think it would be viable. They would be around $40.00 each.

At 50 units the price drops quite a bit but still not competitive with the original buff. They would be $28.00 each

If we can get the run up to 75 units we are looking at $24.50

At 100 units about $23.00

150 units gets the price down to $21.50

If 200 of them where made the price would be $20.00 each.

There has to be quite a few for this to be viable.

[Cobra4246]

count me in for 1 also

[solocanoe]

If ya do it guys, I'm down for one. at least one.

hey, I got over a dozen of them around the family/house/cars already. :)

[JonSidneyB]

We are at 3-4 :)

[50ft-trad]

make that 4-5
Count me in

[JonSidneyB]

At what quantity do we need to reach for this to be viable for you guys? I know that at 25 units the price is just simply too high.

Can the price at 50 units be doable or would we need to get closer to 100?

[solocanoe]

Jon, I'd buy one at the 25...just to support the forum. but maybe you need to make this a new thread...now that it's all "figured out"?
or a sticky maybe? give it a week on the home page with a banner and see how many want in? dunno...just thinking out loud....

[carrot]

I'm in for one but not at $40. If you get 50 people I'm in.

[JonSidneyB]

I almost think we need to get 75 for this to be viable. If we can get to 75 I would go ahead and try and get 100 and then hope the other 25 move. Of course if I got 100 it would be at the 100 unit price.

As with most things like this the greater the volume the lower the price.

[JonSidneyB]

Jon, can you find out how many would be needed in order to get a custom printing and then we can see if it's viable?

Since nobody can agree on a pattern, how about a simple one with the EDCF logo repeating? I'll come up with a mockup later...

If you will come up with a mockup I can put this on the front page and start a new thread to see how many would be interested. Not sure if we could reach 75 but if we could would make this a go. I have a feeling it will still be too steep at the 50 unit level.

[crossroads]

I'm in.

[JonSidneyB]

Jon, I'd buy one at the 25...just to support the forum. but maybe you need to make this a new thread...now that it's all "figured out"?
or a sticky maybe? give it a week on the home page with a banner and see how many want in? dunno...just thinking out loud....

oops, I missed your post but was thinking the same thing. I will do as you suggest after Carrot does a mockup.

[carrot]

Color scheme, Jon?

[JonSidneyB]

I knew that question would come up. Eventually the logo on the forum will look like the old one(like the patches). We had a stylvar problem.

Not sure on the color theme. You have good taste :) I guess we will know if everyone hates the mock up or not.

Is it time for another poll *sigh*

[dewildeman]

I'd be up for it if we could keep it $25 or under.

[JonSidneyB]

I'd be up for it if we could keep it $25 or under.

6-7

If we get to 50 I could gamble and go for 75 of them and get the price down to $25.00

[JonSidneyB]

How about color scheme?

[solocanoe]

I'd vote "muted" personally....maybe gray with black/gray patch designs...but that's just me.
I have Buffs that go all the way back to the original "survivor" buffs - which are very "in your face loud and colorful"....
but I find I didn't wear them them much when I got some of the more muted colors later on....
still, whatever everyone wants, I'm good with.

[50ft-trad]

Low key for me too - greys or earthy colours preferred

[aphex2k]

Ooh I've been wearing a Buff for a couple of years now (not continuously!).

I'd be up for an EDC one if it looked decent.

[brix]

Looks interesting and a nice piece of no nonsense gear. Put me in for one if this gets done.

[Cobra4246]

I have to say Low key for me too - greys or earthy colours preferred works for me also

[carrot]

Sounds good to me. I'll get cracking when I get some logo images from Jon.

[JonSidneyB]

Some images have been sent off to Carrot.

[cap6888]

I would be in for one also.

[billybag]

Question. Are they going to be regular Buff's or UV ones' eiter way count me in for 1 possibly 2 or 3 depending on the cost. Thanks this is a great idea.

[carrot]

I am a lot busier than I thought I'd be, so here's a really quick and dirty mockup. Feedback on color and pattern please?

Click to enlarge....

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/5073/edcfbuff.th.png (http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/5073/edcfbuff.png)

[revs]

I like the looks of that one.

[DB]

Simple design, neutral color. I'm down with that.

[RockyNomad]

I am a lot busier than I thought I'd be, so here's a really quick and dirty mockup. Feedback on color and pattern please?

Click to enlarge....

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/5073/edcfbuff.th.png (http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/5073/edcfbuff.png)

I think this may look better with the logo smaller and closer together with less background in between so you have to look more closely to see what it is. Just my opinion I thought I would throw out there.

[50ft-trad]

I think this may look better with the logo smaller and closer together with less background in between so you have to look more closely to see what it is. Just my opinion I thought I would throw out there.

That was my first thought, but with this colour scheme it could start looking like camo which could be an issue for some people. I'll have a proper ponder on this later

[Rothrandir]

I'd like to see that design with black background and a subtle grey/silver logo. Maybe a little closer together and smaller, as mentioned above.

[Cobra4246]

I like the color and as said earlier smaller logo and closer I think would look better

[solocanoe]

looks fine by me!

I would probably like it better if it was all black with a light gray logo - but wear plenty of the "louder" buffs as well, so anything is fine.

looking forward to this! :)

[carrot]

I'd like to see that design with black background and a subtle grey/silver logo. Maybe a little closer together and smaller, as mentioned above.

In my opinion, black is really cool if you want to look like a ninja, but not very practical for use during the summer months. Additionally, patterned Buffs are basically printed on one side and white on the other so if you get a black patterned Buff and wear it partly inside out it looks much weirder.

Tan is a pretty good all-round color and matches the requests for neutral, earthy tones. It also doesn't look as dirty when you wear it as a plain white one might get. The other upside is if you wear it over your mouth condensation doesn't turn it a different color like solid-colored ones. Then again, maybe I am biased because I usually carry a tan colored Buff.

Since a lot of people have requested a smaller logo I'll look at doing that sometime in the next few days.

I'm willing to take a crack at other designs if several people can agree on something, but I'll be very busy for the next few days.

[solocanoe]

too much time in NYC early in my career
....all my jackets are black; all my suits are dark; all my work shoes are black; all my bags are black
...nothing else holds up to the "grime" and still looks good. been off "the street" for over a dozen years...still can't shake that...

but seriously, the design is GREAT and hey, tan works...I wear some tan buffs on the weekends a lot! thanks for all you are doing, Carot! :)
I'm buying one or more no matter what!

[50ft-trad]

Just a few thoughts - not sure how these would work but they look cool in my head ;-P

How about patterning one half only, so in boonie mode you can choose between patterend/plain. Maybe even a tesselated (sp?) small logo logo pattern around one "cuff" with a couple of slightly larger logos occupying that half to break it up. (not sure that explains what I'm thinking)

I do like the colours, and agree with the smaller logo - but I think carrot is right in putting space between the logo's and not crowding it out.

I agree that grey on black could be unwise in sunny times, but dark grey on mid grey (a monochromatic version of current scheme) could work quite well I reckon - also more compatible with whatever else is being worn/carried etc

[billybag]

Like the mock up smaller would be Ok but I am in for whatever I like the tan for the reasons carrot stated.
Thanks for all the work folks. Looking forward to getting one.

[cap6888]

I agree that grey on black could be unwise in sunny times, but dark grey on mid grey (a monochromatic version of current scheme) could work quite well I reckon - also more compatible with whatever else is being worn/carried etc


What he said,,,,or even black on grey. You don't have the heat qualities of the black, but have more of a color scheme that will go with whatever.

[RockyNomad]

Foliage green is another cool color. I've seen it in the Recon Wrap. I like the idea of a small and tight pattern so you have to get close to see what it is and from a distance you just see the color combination. I also like the idea of a lighter color for summer use.

[50ft-trad]

LOL - I did a mock up of the image that appeared in my minds eye. Then I realised I couldn't post it - I've done it in word as a docx file. :doh:
It's an assymetric design - maybe won't suit everyones taste but if done properly, I'd buy more than one. Any ideas how to share this?

[carrot]

LOL - I did a mock up of the image that appeared in my minds eye. Then I realised I couldn't post it - I've done it in word as a docx file. :doh:
It's an assymetric design - maybe won't suit everyones taste but if done properly, I'd buy more than one. Any ideas how to share this?

You'll want to take a screenshot, on Windows it's the Print Screen button (sometimes PrntScn or similar abbr.), on OSX it's cmd-shift-3. For Windows you'll need to open something like Paint and paste it (ctrl-v) after you take the screenshot. That's the easiest way.

As for other color schemes I suppose we can explore that after we have a pattern we all like. I'll try again with a smaller pattern but personally I like to limit the number of times the logo shows up because it makes for a less "busy" pattern. If it's too busy it'll be an eyesore, and honestly with a 2.5-3" wide logo as it is now it won't be all that visible from farther away.

[50ft-trad]

You'll want to take a screenshot, on Windows it's the Print Screen button (sometimes PrntScn or similar abbr.), on OSX it's cmd-shift-3. For Windows you'll need to open something like Paint and paste it (ctrl-v) after you take the screenshot. That's the easiest way.

As for other color schemes I suppose we can explore that after we have a pattern we all like. I'll try again with a smaller pattern but personally I like to limit the number of times the logo shows up because it makes for a less "busy" pattern. If it's too busy it'll be an eyesore, and honestly with a 2.5-3" wide logo as it is now it won't be all that visible from farther away.

Thanks carrot - did that and rough cropped it. Apologies for lack of quality/care on this, time is at a premium but it's enough to show the concept. for the EDC logo's I'd use the logo you have used without the URL below them, this way you can size down without trying to keep it readable, and keep the URL seperate. The chevrons at bottom end are all such logos interlinked.

Needs garlic (quite obviously) - but it's another option, and gives two different beanie styles.
Feel free to say you hate it if that's the case - I won't be offended ;-)

http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx122/50ft-trad/buffidea.jpg

[50ft-trad]

Hmm - has this thread picked up a bug? Seems to have stopped showing in "what's new" or subscribed threads sections.
Let's see if this (otherwise pointless) post puts it back in the list

EDIT: No it didn't - looks like the bugs are breeding again!

[carrot]

Personally, I'm not sure I can imagine having a huge URL emblazoned on my head. But that's just me.

[50ft-trad]

Personally, I'm not sure I can imagine having a huge URL emblazoned on my head. But that's just me.

LOL - just posted it as a concept to allow reducing the logos. Not suggesting we all become walking billboards or anything.

Pick ideas from it or disregard as appropriate. Personally I do like the chevron idea, but I'll go with the flow

[carrot]

Hopefully we'll get some other opinions and then we can move forward on this. I like simple repeating patterns myself.

[dewildeman]

I'll wade in, I prefer the repeating pattern, small or large, in the tan or black and white, something "gray".

[JonSidneyB]

Have you guys got closer to deciding?

[Cobra4246]

I agree with carrot simple repeating patterns would be best.

[shrap]

I'm going to reiterate my desire to not have a boring small repeating pattern; but since I have two already, I'm not really looking for one anymore.

[SuperTrouper]

Carrot just pointed this thread out to me, I'd be up for buying one if there was an EDCF branded buff!

[jsmitty1967]

I am still game. I don't care about the pattern or cost. If it supports the forum it is all good.

[solocanoe]

geez, i left this thread when it was on 4 pages I think....I agree with jsmitty - I'm in no matter what - just hope I don't miss 'em if they sell out quick or something.

[billybag]

I'm still in.

[Cobra4246]

I'm still in. I'm sure what ever Carrot comes up with will be good

[rmfromm]

I would be in as well

[carrot]

Hi guys, in order to address popular concern I did a quick mockup of what a Buff with a smaller logo and gray colors would look like:

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/45/edcfbuffsmall.th.png (http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/45/edcfbuffsmall.png)

[carrot]

Hi guys, in order to address popular concern I did a quick mockup of what a Buff with a smaller logo and gray colors would look like:

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/45/edcfbuffsmall.th.png (http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/45/edcfbuffsmall.png)

I am a lot busier than I thought I'd be, so here's a really quick and dirty mockup. Feedback on color and pattern please?

Click to enlarge....

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/5073/edcfbuff.th.png (http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/5073/edcfbuff.png)

Together for easier comparison.

[SuperTrouper]

Love the grey and the smaller logo!

[jeeves3443]

Hi guys, in order to address popular concern I did a quick mockup of what a Buff with a smaller logo and gray colors would look like:

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/45/edcfbuffsmall.th.png (http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/45/edcfbuffsmall.png)


I like this. Simple, almost too simple.
I think it needs something to 'break everything up.'
Like my suggestion #2 in post #35.

Not really a graphic per'se but something that can add lines /break up the monotony w/o cluttering or making the design too complicated.

Basically a patch of dirt w/some shading or something.

[50ft-trad]

I think they grey and smaller logos are big improvements. I'm in for at least one - possibly more depending on funds

[Cobra4246]

Either the grey or tan with small logo

[JonSidneyB]

I am going to start a new thread on this to see how many are interested and put it up on the front page as well to get it a bit more exposure.

[carrot]

I am going to start a new thread on this to see how many are interested and put it up on the front page as well to get it a bit more exposure.

Don't forget to include an awesome demo video.

[50ft-trad]

Thanks for your passion & enduring efforts guys. Pleasure to be a member and supporter of the forum. I feel a future pay day may be sorely battered by some of the new planned offerings - buff included :-)

[JonSidneyB]

The only reason I am thinking of another thread is I think this one is great but might be too cumbersome to find out how much interest there is. We can never pick a design that will make everyone happy so on that we will have to guess the best thing to do as polls have proven to turn out odd results. I am going to pick out the relevant information and we will start anew.

[50ft-trad]

Sounds logical to me! Hands up I don't think I helped this one much - LOL.
Sometimes a decision by commitee is no decision at all - lead the way Jon ;-)