POLL: What would you choose for an EDCF Spyderco?

[heathah]

Here's the poll from the data made available in Jon's EDCF Spyderco thread (http://edcforums.com/index.php?topic=30744.0). I basically took this upon myself to compile as I think all options have been thrown out there so this technically isn't an official poll. However, since Jon has allowed us members to decide this knife configuration, I'm sure he won't object to this poll. But, please know he has the right to do so at any time and take his own poll. I'm just trying to help out. :hug:

If I missed something, please let me know.

The rules are simple:

Please vote once for each category and please only choose one option for each category. You are voting for your one configuration you desire. However, if you cannot decide, you may choose more than one option for each category (such as your top two choices for the handle), but please don't skew the results by selecting more than you like. I believe Jon and Spyderco would like to satisfy everyone and getting an accurate vote is important.

If anyone has any questions or concerns, please let me know.

Disclaimer (For the sake of Jon, the forum, and Spyderco, I am adding this blurb. If in appropriate, mods please delete.): Hopefully this will give Jon and Spyderco an idea of the knife the majority desires so please be open to interpretation as not all options may be available in every configuration. Basically, the knife configuration that the majority picks may not be the knife made but will most likely be as close as Jon and Spyderco can agree on.

I'll leave this poll running until Jon and/or Spyderco can decide that enough votes have been counted so vote fast! O0

Thanks for playing!

Heath

[Belush2]

O0 Nice Job Heath!!!

Greatly Appreciate your hard work!! This will definitely help get some ideas to get this Project going!!

[crossroads]

:iagree: Must've taken a fair bit of work, thank you. O0

[heathah]

Not a problem, guys. I just hope it helps.

I'm anxious to see what we, as a forum, decide. I think it will be a great knife regardless. It'll be a Spydie, after all. ;D

Heath

[Monocrom]

Thanks for making this thread. O0

[subrosa]

Current leader...

Stonewashed S30V Dragonfly w/ Orange G-10 scales (hopefully all screw construction) and a wire clip made in Golden, CO.

That is getting into grail knife material....

ANY self-respecting Spyderco fan would buy that....I would buy one just because it is an "always outsourced" model being produced here in the US.

Spyderco won't make that combo, but who knows, maybe they are ready to blow my mind and wallet.

[JonSidneyB]

Polls can provide good information and they can send you off in the wrong direction. I think a poll can work but it sometimes fails. In college I remember many times we would look at polls on what people said they do but when you look at what they actually did it would often be a poor match.

Some of the polls that I did out here in the past sometimes bears out the danger of polls. Some things that never did well polling did much better than some things that ran away in the polls.

When you vote please be actually considering getting one. There is of course no obligation but the data gets messed up if most of the votes are from people that have no plans to get one if what they vote for wins.

Right now I have to think about the short term more than the long term or I would actually be in this thread more. When you guys come up with something this project can get moved from the long term to the short term and we can start trying to market the winner.

Thanks everyone.

[V a a m Y o b]

I don't understand how so many(2x, as of this post) people could want orange scales.
Why don't manufacturers make more knives with orange scales if there is such an overwhelming preference for that color?
Do we not have a large enough sample? It seems that we should let this run for a bit and get as much input from prospective buyers (as opposed to just casual browsers giving their .02).

[copierguy_mobile]

I don't understand how so many(2x, as of this post) people could want orange scales.
Why don't manufacturers make more knives with orange scales if there is such an overwhelming preference for that color?
Do we not have a large enough sample? It seems that we should let this run for a bit and get as much input from prospective buyers (as opposed to just casual browsers giving their .02).


I'm beginning to think that blaze orange is the official forum color. ;D

Besides it's obvious utilitarian benefits (hard to loose a bright orange anything), orange is a pretty stylish color right now but... remember when avocado used to be really popular for kitchen appliances? . I fear that Outside of EDCF, the demand for orange might not be so high but if orange isn't a normal Spyderco color, it could be very popular with collectors.

I voted for orange because it does seem to be an EDCF favorite but I really don't care too much what color it is.

-Greg

[Monocrom]

Has a decision been reached regarding the lock mechanism to be used. Slip joint or lockback? :wha:

[heathah]

Has a decision been reached regarding the lock mechanism to be used. Slip joint or lockback? :wha:


I believe Eric mentioned that it would be best to keep the locking mechanism in line with the current models being produced. Such a change may require significant modifications to the manufacturing process so it would be best to keep the locking mechanisms that are currently used for the options Eric listed. Since the Delica, Dragonfly, Ladybug, and Native all use lockback mechanisms, these will probably utilize that type of locking mechanism.

However, if Spyderco can make a change to the current design in production and produce an alternative locking mechanism (i.e. slipjoint) for the forum knife then I'm sure they would let us know that it is an option. I can't say, however, because I'm not the one making the knives. :)

Eric or Jon, can one of you chime in here and let us know if there is an option to the locking mechanism on these knives or are we tied to the current design in production?

Heath

[Valolammas]

The way I understood Eric's post is that they certainly can do almost anything, but a) the minimum number of knives will multiply and b) the cost is going to skyrocket. So it's best if we stick to existing models, preferably ones that are currently in production.

Myself, I'd love to see a Ladybug-sized version of Calypso, just like the Ladybug is basically a tiny Delica. Yes, with the flat grind and all. But it would be a whole new model, so I don't think it would be feasible. Just posting the idea here in case Eric happens to read this thread... :-X

[Lugsalot]

I'd be all OVER a Calypsobug, just sayin.' :)

[mlandolt8]

Personally, I'm more likely to purchase if the item isn't too exotic (read expensive). I like the idea of a Dragonfly in H-1 with a unique coloring. I think we must realize that some of the biggest enthusists will be all about the ultimate custom designs but the more realistic the price the larger the audience that will be interested. For example if the price comes in at $60-75 I'm likely to buy two; however, if we are looking at $100-125 I will seriously consider whether I even purchase one. Just trying to keep it real...at least for me.

Matthew

[houdini28]

Personally, I'm more likely to purchase if the item isn't too exotic (read expensive). I like the idea of a Dragonfly in H-1 with a unique coloring. I think we must realize that some of the biggest enthusists will be all about the ultimate custom designs but the more realistic the price the larger the audience that will be interested. For example if the price comes in at $60-75 I'm likely to buy two; however, if we are looking at $100-125 I will seriously consider whether I even purchase one. Just trying to keep it real...at least for me.

Matthew


:iagree:

[carrot]

Hence why I think a flat ground, stonewashed, FRN Delica would be sweeeeet.

[tradja]

:pirate: I completed the poll without peeking or reading beyond the first post.  I had to laugh when I saw that an orange G10 Dragonfly in stonewashed S30V with a wire clip was indeed the leader.

Great minds think alike.  If we go with this or a similar config (154CM would be fine with me as well to keep costs down), I am so IN.  Any sort of orange Ladybug would be awesome too.

ETA: Flat grind is critical.

[nemesis5656]

Naitve s30v stonewashed digicamo g10 wireclip for me

[tradja]

Bump for a great idea and an awesome consensus. The specs that are leading right now would make an awesome EDC.

Vote and then talk it up in the thread. Let's make this happen!

[Al-Dog]

I like how the vote is going for the most part, except for the handle color. I'm just not a big fan of orange.

[carrot]

I was thinking, can we have a more exotic steel, like CPM M4 or CPM 3V? Or ZDP 189?

[tradja]

I was thinking, can we have a more exotic steel, like CPM M4 or CPM 3V? Or ZDP 189?

With M4 or ZDP189, it would be the perfect knife.  However, I'd be worried that exotic steel would drive the price up and, thus, participation down.

[frankfurter]

I don't own a spyderco as I never really cared for the looks but I think I could get into this and have been seriously considering getting a spyderco anyway. So I voted and would be onboard for one if as said before the price were reasonable.

[carrot]

With M4 or ZDP189, it would be the perfect knife. However, I'd be worried that exotic steel would drive the price up and, thus, participation down.

Never hurts to get a price quote.

[tradja]

Never hurts to get a price quote.


True! :iagree:

[Vic303]

My choices are pretty much leading the category except for the steel. I went 154cm, for cost savings and still being a decent steel. Otherwise, Dragonfly, G10, Orange, wire clip and honestly either finish(polish or stonewash) is fine w/me.

[3voices]

voted. somewhat surprised that the cheapest model (ladybug) has gotten the least number of votes.

[JonSidneyB]

voted. somewhat surprised that the cheapest model (ladybug) has gotten the least number of votes.


In my what I have seen when I have really cheap stuff and expensive stuff the expensive stuff seems to sell at a better rate. Quite often I can't give cheaper stuff away. Now I don't do much volume so this statistic might not mean much.

On the stuff that gets a little pricier like Barkies I have sold almost no plain Black Micarta, almost everyone wants something fancier.

[Monocrom]

The Ladybug is an extremely tiny knife. A folding miniature with a lock. It's a nice knife, but far too small for a forum knife.

[Rawls]

I was going to put in for the Delica, my favorite Spyderco design, but then I realized that doing so may preclude any non-American EDCF people from being able to carry the knife.

[jeeves3443]

I was going to put in for the Delica, my favorite Spyderco design, but then I realized that doing so may preclude any non-American EDCF people from being able to carry the knife.




I don't understand why this would be the case.
Will you please explain?

[Sgt. LED]

Delica or Dragonfly, S30V, stonewashed, G-10, orange, Ti wire clip.

For the forum.

[tradja]

I don't understand why this would be the case.
Will you please explain?

Blunt-tipped obtuse saber grinds are illegal in some countries. Should be here, too. :evilgrin:

[jeeves3443]

Thank you for the explanation.

Any possibility of getting the (potential) Delica with a wave?

[m16a]

FWIW I voted Native, S30V, G10, natural, steel clip. I would like a knife like that..



EDIT: I wouldn't just like a knife like that, I would be ALL OVER a knife like that. Orange would probably be the coolest now that I think about it! ;D

[chaco24]

1. Delica 2. Endura 3. Centofante III 4. Native Truth be told I rotate carry through the list depending on what I expect to be doing on any given day.

[Ainsley]

I have to say that a Dragonfly with a flatground, stonewashed S30V blade in a nice carbon fiber handle with a low riding wireclip would make my day.

[Sgt. LED]

Yeah that sounds good too.

[Sgt. LED]

So by the numbers in the poll the only thing left to decide on is the model.

Stonewashed S30V with orange G10 handles and a wire clip are all solidly in the lead. :smitten:

EDIT: No, H1 is close to S30V and the model out front looks like the Delica. Shame I already have a Delica..... I guess a second couldn't hurt but the forum Spyderco being my first Dragonfly would be very cool.

[Ainsley]

It has to have a choil for it to feel comfortable in my hand. My caly 3 is my fav, and it would be nice to have the dragonfly as its little brother.

[tradja]

So by the numbers in the poll the only thing left to decide on is the model.
[snip] the model out front looks like the Delica. Shame I already have a Delica..... I guess a second couldn't hurt but the forum Spyderco being my first Dragonfly would be very cool.




It has to have a choil for it to feel comfortable in my hand. My caly 3 is my fav, and it would be nice to have the dragonfly as its little brother.


Too bad the Dragonfly is trailing behind the Delica. I love the flat grind, pointy tip, and choil. Great EDC design! Maybe the D-fly can pull this off in the end, or Jon can make an executive decision. The other options are awesome.

[JonSidneyB]

I have not been in this thread as I wanted the members to pick this knife, and I have been worrying about the present rather than the future. How long do you guys think the poll should run?

Thanks everyone.

[tradja]

I have not been in this thread as I wanted the members to pick this knife, and I have been worrying about the present rather than the future. How long do you guys think the poll should run?

Just an idea: haven't you had preliminary discussions with Eric about the minimum number required for a special run? Maybe we could let the poll run until the number of responses equals the order minimum. Sure, it's not a 1:1 correlation between poll respondents and committed buyers, but at that point the poll arguably would have a credible sample size.

That, or wait until the gross number of Dragonfly answers gets to the order minumum. :evilgrin:

[Gatsby]

Too bad the Dragonfly is trailing behind the Delica. I love the flat grind, pointy tip, and choil. Great EDC design! Maybe the D-fly can pull this off in the end, or Jon can make an executive decision. The other options are awesome.


Agreed - although part of it for me is that I already have a Native, a CalyIII and a Sage 2 so my need for a Delica size knife is significantly less than my interest in a Dragonfly size. I suspect many of us also already have 3" ish folders as it is a pretty common/popular edc size ... maybe people will consider the benefit of having a slightly smaller Spydie for those times when lugging the big steel around is not as convenient!

[saniterra]

My choice, from those knives listed, would be the Native FRN lightweight just as it is manufactured. Great, great knife. What I would really like to see is an EDCF version of a Spydero model that is no longer manufactured - something like the standard Manix C95 - with an EDCF lasered logo. I realize that the C95 is too large to be EDC'd comfortably by many, but that's a knife that has it all - great steel, blade shape, ergonomics, lockup, etc. - and is useful in operations from the delicate to the robust.

[heathah]

The poll will have run for four weeks on next Tuesday, October 27. I would suggest we let it run until then so we can give it a "month."

Here are the top two votes for each category so far with percentage of majority (# votes / # total voters):

NOTE: Some users voted for more than one choice for each category or did not vote for a choice at all for a given category so all choices for each category don't add up exactly to the number of total voters. Also, if someone changes their vote at this point, my results below will be wrong.

MODEL:

Delica (62/135) - 46%
Dragonfly (41/135) - 30%

STEEL:

S30V (52/135) - 39%
H1 (41/135) - 30%

BLADE:

Stonewashed (77/135) - 57%
Polished (35/135) - 26%

HANDLE:

G-10 (74/135) - 55%
FRN (37/135) - 27%

COLOR:

Orange (56/135) - 42%
Grey (29/135) - 21%

CLIP:

Wire (Ti) (75/135) - 56%
Steel (60/135) - 44%

Therefore, using the majority's choice, the recommendation of the forum users (135 total polled members) recommends, at this time, that the EDCF forum knife be:

Delica: Stonewashed S30V Blade, Orange G-10 Handles, and Ti Wire Clip

The lowest number of votes for any category's top choice was the blade steel choice of S30V with only 52 of 135 votes. We can used this statistic to "assume" that a minimum of 52 individuals would want this EDCF forum knife and probably more (i.e. some people haven't seen this, some people will order more than one, and some people will order one after they see the finished product).

Heath

[tradja]

Heath, good summary. Some of the people who voted for the minor candidates might have a different preference if it was down to the top 2. We could always do a runoff, Afghan-style.

Well, Afghan-style without election violence, ballotbox stuffing, or voter intimidation.

[heathah]

Heath, good summary. Some of the people who voted for the minor candidates might have a different preference if it was down to the top 2. We could always do a runoff, Afghan-style.

Well, Afghan-style without election violence, ballotbox stuffing, or voter intimidation.


Good idea.

Maybe we should have a run-off between the top two beginning next Tuesday. That would have given us four weeks to narrow it down to the final two and then we can let the final two fight it out for another 1 or 2 weeks to determine the winner.

What do you think?

Heath

[JonSidneyB]

Good idea.

Maybe we should have a run-off between the top two beginning next Tuesday. That would have given us four weeks to narrow it down to the final two and then we can let the final two fight it out for another 1 or 2 weeks to determine the winner.

What do you think?

Heath


It sounds good to me. Like I said before I am letting the members has this out. When you guys know what the winner is I will see if I can get Spyderco to post in the thread and then we will try to get the requests high enough to make this happen.

[tradja]

When you guys know what the winner is I will see if I can get Spyderco to post in the thread and then we will try to get the requests high enough to make this happen.

Jon, how many do we need?

[JonSidneyB]

I will have to pull up Eric's post. Eric Glesser

I think he said we need 300 for the ones on the poll. The other knives would require a higher number.

Eric's father owns Spyderco. He posts out here once in awhile.

My plan is after you guys decide on a knife I will ask Eric to look at what we have and see if he can give us information like on time frame if we can get enough interest to get the run done. After that I am thinking about doing something I really don't like to do but send out a mass emailing to the entire forum to see if that will get enough awareness going to get this done.

[heathah]

Well, it's been four weeks since the poll started and we've received 160 votes.

Here are the top two contenders for each category:

MODEL:

Delica - 73/160 (46%)
Dragonfly - 50/160 (31%)

STEEL:

S30V - 63/160 (39%)
H1 - 47/160 (29%)

BLADE:

Stonewashed - 90/160 (56%)
Polished - 42/160 (26%)

HANDLE:

G-10 - 86/160 (54%)
FRN - 44/160 (28%)

COLOR:

Orange - 61/160 (38%)
Grey - 40/160 (25%)

CLIP:

Wire (Ti) - 93/160 (58%)
Steel - 68/160 (43%)

As we discussed earlier, I suppose we should have a run-off between these top two contenders.

If everyone agrees, I'll start another poll with these two in a run-off and we'll see who wins.

So, what does everyone think?

Thanks.

Heath

[tradja]

I think a runoff is a great idea. :iagree:

[Sgt. LED]

Let's DO IT!

I want my first Dragonfly to also be the first forum Spyderco. Start the next poll.

[heathah]

RUN-OFF Poll has been created.

Please click here (http://edcforums.com/index.php?topic=33354.0) to vote in the RUN-OFF!

Thanks!

Heath

[jeeves3443]

I'll keep this out of the run-off thread, since this one is close to death.

Which version and where will the EDCF logo be?
Correct me if there won't be one.