What would you guys think of an EDCF Spyderco?

[JonSidneyB]

This is a real possibility in the future. I have done a tiny bit of initial talking about this. I will soon find out what the options are for something like this.

If there is an EDCF version of a Spyderco knife what would you guys want this knife to be like?

[bookeriv]

I personally would love a Sage, Paramilitary, Dragonfly, or G-10 Delica. However, a Bug or Ladybug would be excellent for keychain carry.

[scríbhneoir]

Oooo, oooo, Dragonfly!

[JonSidneyB]

What handle type, color,? If possible any modifications to a model? EDCF logo or just text?

[islandson]

:drool:

Please, please, please....

Dragonfly or Delica, w/logo, and in a grey composite grip, please.

[bookeriv]

Something like this?
http://www.spydercollector.nl/upload/iwa2009/spyderco_prototype_iwa09_dragonfly.jpg

[shrap]

What are our options?

Perhaps you could break it down:

- model (basic knife size/shape)
- blade (grind, serrations, color, steel)
- handle (material, color)

I would personally prefer to see something different that Spyderco doesn't usually produce, or has stopped producing.

[jp2515]

Guys it can be done. We need to come up with a list of options and go from there.

Spyderco did a limited run USN Endura (http://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=415) for the members at the Usual Suspect Network forums and it looks great.

[JonSidneyB]

There will be a minimum number that we will need to be able to meet. We might have a special guest visiting this thread. This special guest will be making an unrelated thread, I will make sure he knows about this one. ;D

[jp2515]

There will be a minimum number that we will need to be able to meet. We might have a special guest visiting this thread. This special guest will be making an unrelated thread, I will make sure he knows about this one. ;D


I take that as, we (the forum) are going in the right direction! YEA!

[subrosa]

A lot of the special editions are the S30V Native, the current Spyderco forums model is going to be using purple scales.

I would say keep it sub-$100 and solid EDC (nothing over 3 inches). I would LOVE an H1 (stonewash or satin...no blade coatings) native/dragonfly using orange G-10 scales (or some of that natural g-10 ala leafstorm)! :highfive: If you can pull off all screw design...that would be even sweeter!

another idea...get a special edition ladybug, something cheap and fun for every forum member! G-10+H1!

.

[DB]

I like the idea of an inexpensive model so that everyone can grab one. Personally, I like the the new Persistence that just came out..... ;D

[JonSidneyB]

When our special guest has the time I will get him to tell us what all the possibilities are. I think what is requested affects how many the minimum will be. It will get cleared up. ;D

[crossroads]

Definitely up for one. I'd like one of those new Dragonflys, but they sure are pricey. I agree with DB, get some sort of inexpensive but well made model.

[Jedi Knife]

I would be in for something with a blade length under 3" and less than 7" overall. These specs would have to be met for me. That puts the Delica out. Would we be able to prepay on these?

[subrosa]

Definitely up for one. I'd like one of those new Dragonflys, but they sure are pricey. I agree with DB, get some sort of inexpensive but well made model.


We also would want to make sure that we don't produce a knife so different and strange that no one would want it. I like the purple 2009 Spyderco forum knife, but it isn't the color that I would have chosen.

H1 FRN (Orange/black/blue/dark grey) dragonfly would be my #1 right now. The perfect non-rusting EDC knife that is almost perfect in size! Even if we can't get H1, a VG-10 FRN Dragonfly with the g-10 models jimping would be excellent!

Again I am guessing the limitations are, H1/VG-10 models (delica etc) could not be made with other steel (S30v/H1). This nullifies my idea above, as I bet the tooling for the H1 steel is quite a bit different, can't just throw a chunk of it in a machine used to produce VG-10.

No sub ~100 USD EDC knives come out of Golden. The leafstorm is beautiful and a custom version of it would sell like hotcakes, just above the range I think a "forum" knife should have. A Golden S30V dragonfly would be love though.

[Don H]

Police 3 G10

[SALT]

O0 Great Idea, I would love to see a small one, like a cricket with a special blade shape maybe and color, that said, If it cuts and has a spider on it, I love it. Put me on the list!

[dewildeman]

I believe the minium is going to be around 600 pcs. I don't know if we can swing it.
The Native and Delica seem to be real popular here, I wouldn't mind one of those or possibly a Dragonfly, Jester or Bug. Something in a plain edge.

[InspektorGadget]

I would be in for one assuming the price price wasn't too crazy. I am thinking about picking up a Persistance but like the sound of an EDCF Delica or Native also.

[dewildeman]

Has Spyderco ever done a red handled knife? I'm thinking the Salsa was offered in a red version. Something to think about.
:grouphug:

[InspektorGadget]

Has Spyderco ever done a red handled knife?


I have an old Endura with red handles. Actually kind of a maroon.

[fallow]

:worthless:

so I decided to mock up some options. Native and Dragonfly, with blacked blades and without.

Foliage green
International Orange
International Yellow
Tan

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/5752/edcfspydercofg.th.jpg (http://img193.imageshack.us/i/edcfspydercofg.jpg/)
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/3281/edcfspydercoio.th.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/i/edcfspydercoio.jpg/)
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/7462/edcfspydercoiy.th.jpg (http://img256.imageshack.us/i/edcfspydercoiy.jpg/)
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6058/edcfspydercota.th.jpg (http://img17.imageshack.us/i/edcfspydercota.jpg/)

I think keep it near or under 3" for everyone including our UK friends, I'd say go for a cheaper model. My suggestions would be native, UK pen/Urban, DragonFly.

[InspektorGadget]

...so I decided to mock up some options. Native and Dragonfly, with blacked blades and without.


I'm diggin the Foliage and Orange without black blades

[Lugsalot]

But for the price, I think one of the Slipits would be an excellent idea. It would allow even those EDCers who live in non-knife-friendly areas to get in on the action. I just wish they were a little less expensive.

Barring a Slipit, I think the Persistence is a good alternative (though it has a lock). It's not made in the USA, but the price is right, and Spyderco's overseas knives are well-built.

Shoot, there are so many Spydies that I like, it's hard to choose just ONE! :shrug:

[fallow]

Ok, i've added the serrated version of the dragonfly

Plus I've added a natural G10 (light mint coloured) or perhaps it's a GID version as well?

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/9191/edcfspydercodffg.th.jpg (http://img199.imageshack.us/i/edcfspydercodffg.jpg/)
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/3498/edcfspydercodfio.th.jpg (http://img199.imageshack.us/i/edcfspydercodfio.jpg/)
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/4734/edcfspydercodfiy.th.jpg (http://img269.imageshack.us/i/edcfspydercodfiy.jpg/)
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/2781/edcfspydercodfmi.th.jpg (http://img199.imageshack.us/i/edcfspydercodfmi.jpg/)
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/4850/edcfspydercodfta.th.jpg (http://img199.imageshack.us/i/edcfspydercodfta.jpg/)

[fallow]

spyderco urban serrated

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/809/edcfspydercourio.jpg (http://img134.imageshack.us/i/edcfspydercourio.jpg/)

[bltkmt]

If it is something that will help the forum, and it is a decent knife that I can use - I am in for one.

[sjmack]

I would probably pick up multiple persistence's if they were offered in orange, white or tan G10... :D


I really like the idea of doing a budget knife so EVERYONE on EDCF would be able to afford it. Itd be nice to have our own high end knife, but if we could pull a tenacious or something, that would be great. If we could get EDCForums.com on the pocket clip.. :drool:

[ErnestS]

I wouldn't mind getting another Ladybug keychain knife -- especially with the H1 steel. Perhaps it could even have a special color (such as blue) to signify that it's a special/custom order knife. :smitten:

[fallow]

I would probably pick up multiple persistence's if they were offered in orange, white or tan G10... :D


I really like the idea of doing a budget knife so EVERYONE on EDCF would be able to afford it. Itd be nice to have our own high end knife, but if we could pull a tenacious or something, that would be great. If we could get EDCForums.com on the pocket clip.. :drool:




I'll try and mock up a persistence today. I agree the pricepoint is amazing, so perhaps this makes the perfect EDCF/Spydie collaboration

[fallow]

Ok so here she is. Spyderco Persistence

yellow
orange
natural
tan

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/8530/edcfspydercoperpe.th.jpg (http://img11.imageshack.us/i/edcfspydercoperpe.jpg/)
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/6171/edcfspydercoperpek.th.jpg (http://img190.imageshack.us/i/edcfspydercoperpek.jpg/)

[fallow]

Spyderco Persistence - Tanto Point :evilgrin:

check the bottom right version (which I like the best), I had to adjust the handle thickness to accommodate the height of the blade.

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/3632/edcfspydercopertape.jpg (http://img199.imageshack.us/i/edcfspydercopertape.jpg/)

[crossroads]

Nice work fallow, I could really go for a tan coloured G10 Spyderco knife. O0

[Kripto]

I'd like to see something in natural, tan, foliage or black.. Definitely would not get one if it were bright orange/yellow, or any other bright color.

Probably even get 2...

[Monocrom]

Dragonfly would be awesome!

Small, very EDC-able, comfortable handle, not too expensive. Has a lock, but the short blade should make it street-legal in many jurisdictions.

Just as long as the handle material isn't zytel. That version is the only one from Spyderco that still comes with an integral (fragile) zytel clip. Once it breaks off, that's it.

Hmm... perhaps the stainless steel version with the forum logo engraved on the non-clip side of the handle. And numbered! "1 of __"

Limited production run, to make it more special.

[SALT]

Any Updates?

[fallow]

I'm burnt out, no more versions, please, I can't do any more :(

[SALT]

I'm burnt out, no more versions, please, I can't do any more :(


They do look time consuming. I am not asking for a mock up, but how do you think a FRN Cricket black blade/White Handle would look?

[JonSidneyB]

Any more ideas?

I am going to try and find out what is possible and what kind of quantities are needed to pull this off.

[SALT]

Any more ideas?

I am going to try and find out what is possible and what kind of quantities are needed to pull this off.


I really do think this is a great idea. Hope it works out! I would be willing to preorder/prepay as I am sure others would too for such a unique blade.

[ObiHann]

I don't care what it looks like... I'm buying one :woohoo:

[Lugsalot]

I don't care what it looks like... I'm buying one :woohoo:


Oh, necessarily! :roof:

[JP]

+1 for a tanto blade 3inches or smaller with edcforums.com on the clip with the lettering in brushed steel.

[Coaster]

3" or less

I'm with Kripto on it being something in natural, tan, foliage or black

EDC logo and numbered would be awesome.

I'd personally prefer no tantos or serrations.

[2506sniper]

I'd say something like the H1 Salt with natural colored handles, it doesn't have be be black, but something with a lower profile than yellow or orange. I think the Salt model would lend itself well to be EDCF Branded by design. Lightweight, water resistant, quality materials. All this makes it adhere to the kinda Idea of EDC.
Also, I would prefer a plain edge. In the vast majority of my needs for a knife, I do not need serrations and I suspect that not many others do.
Branded and numbered would also be a Plus!

[nemesis5656]

What about a s30v native with natural colored g10 scales? Maybe two tone blue and green just like the logo at the very top left?

[Cosmo7809]

Please no tanto... Besides.... Spyderco does not even produce a model with a tanto right?

I will take anything else.

[copierguy_mobile]

My only Spyderco is a Native.

I'd love to have another and if it helps the forum, all the better!!

The Dragonfly looks very nice and seems to be a good EDC size. I'm not too picky about color (but I may have too many orange things now). I would probably prefer a plain edge (not because I don't like the serrated ones but because I don't seem to be able to sharpen them).

-Greg

[comicbookguy]

I would consider buying one like a Tenacious or Persistence with a natural green color g-10 handle and wire pocket clip.

[nbmaine2007]

I'm in for one...I know Jon and others will come up with a great option.

[1*]

Count me in!!! An orange or green scale Dragonfly would be sweet, but I'm down for whatever.

[ssmtbracer]

I would get one for sure I really like Spyderco. :roof:

[fallow]

looks like native or dragonfly in PE H1 blade, with Natural G10 scales, is the most popular here.

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/4826/edcfspyderconatg10pe.jpg

[ssmtbracer]

I like the native I would for sure get one of those again especially if it is a EDCF knife

[JonSidneyB]

I do like the looks of the Native ;D

[2506sniper]

The Plain edge Dragonfly with an H1 Blade sounds sweet! I wouldn't care if the handle was g10 or the Course, I'll buy whatever is decided on, I just don't like the native too much. To me, the Native just doesn't look like a spyderco. I tend to liuke knives that stay true to their Heritage(thumb ramp and such).

[Eric Glesser]

My first thought is something that’s a good EDC carry, like a Calypso Jr, Delica, Native, UK, Ladybug, Dragonfly, Centofante, and Goddard. I’m sure there’s more I’m missing. My personal thoughts would be a Calypso Jr lightweight or Centofante 3.
Models currently in production are simpler to manufacture, make changes, and work in smaller quantities. Minimums are usually 300-500 and up depending on the changes. Models Not currently in production would need a larger minimum, usually 600 and up. The minimums and cost are two very import variables in choosing a knife.
Depending on adjustments made, quantity, price and lead time can change. Something like a Delica, Native, ladybug and Dragonfly, we can make smaller batches and be more cost effective. Something like a Calypso Jr lightweight or Goddard can be more difficult because they are no longer in the current line.
The possibilities are large on the type of things we can do. We can make changes with coatings, engravings, grinds, edge configurations, handle material, blade material, colors and others.
I hope this helps.

[JonSidneyB]

Thanks Eric,

For those of you that don't know Eric he is a very important person at Spyderco ;D

Getting to 300 could be a challenge but I think it can be done. If the knife is a bit different than the normal line up as in different color that is very desirable perhaps interest could reach beyond the forum to the Soyderco collectors. The sale of 300 of anything would have a massive positive impact on what the forum could do. It could easily get us moved to better software and pay the server for a long time.

Of course like Eric mentioned there are some models with the possibility of a smaller run.

Here is what I think we should do.

1. Let you guys talk about it for a about a week in order to think about.

2. After about a week a poll could be started to decide what it should be. In the poll I would ask that you only vote if you are really interested if your choice wins.

3. After maybe a week of voting when we can start a request list. You guys could help a ton during the request list stage but letting people know where every Spyderco collectors hang out that this is going on.

If we can do this it will make a huge difference.

Thanks everyone.

[shrap]

I vote for inlays, on any model.

See this Spyderco thread for previously inlaid Natives: http://www.spyderco.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39394

[subrosa]

"Delica, Native, ladybug and Dragonfly" are stated as being the easiest, so why not stay within those bounds. Keep in mind this is an 09 blade...we always have next year :laugh:

My vote here is for the Native....with some variations. It is a US made knife made of S30v, the only downside I have seen is it has no steel liners and the spyderhole is a little hard to "swing" open.

* Blade - www.edcforums.com with the "logo" (if possible). Can the blades be stonewashed? Can we make it a little more friendly by dropping the swedge? Could we make the spyderhole bigger?

* FRN - is a two color "swirl" an option? Interesting colors include dark greens, grey (gunmetal), orange (<3),and many others. Is translucent/glowing FRN a possibility? I would just avoid light colors...we are going to EDC this in our pockets right?

* Build - All screw design or at least a screw on the pivot point, my biggest gripe with my Native is the fact I can't adjust it.

Here is some inspiration of what a Native can be....

http://paulberetta.com/Forum%20Knives/images/2003_spyderco_forum_native3.jpg

[Lugsalot]

I like the "Little Big Knife" concept, and I see there's some significant love for the Dragonfly. I like the lines and size of the Dragonfly, as well as the flat grind. A few improvements I would suggest for an updated version are:

* Generation 4 upgrades (as seen on the Endura/Delica)
-Steel liners
-4-position pocket clip
-Textured thumb-rest

* Open-back handle (to prevent dust-buildup and facilitate cleaning)

* G-10 scales would be nice, but if it will keep costs down to use something different, that'd be cool. How much of a price-jump does the open-back and G-10 scales incur, anyway?

Other, thoughts:

I still think a Slipit would be a cool choice, as it doesn't run afoul of ludicrous knife-laws. More people can carry it the world over, which is very much in-keeping with EDCF's inclusiveness. A modern slip-joint is a cool idea, period. I'm glad such a thing exists.

For some reason, I think it would be interesting to see a Ladybug with a pocket clip, if that is even possible. Then again, I am a fool with a penchant for gimmickry and the impractical, so... :shrug:

I'm too good at having silly ideas and not good enough at fleshing them out... :rolleyes:

[JonSidneyB]

Keep the suggestions coming ;D

[sgtrutledge]

any design but make it g-10 and neon green maybe?

[fallow]

I agree with Jon, this might go beyond the bounds of EDCF if it's a well designed knife, look at how popular the USN knife was.

Lugsalot, my wish list is your wishlist, start with a cheaper knife and spec it up, I'd add removable screws and pivot to Lugsalot's wishlist.

[heathah]

I like the Native, it's one of my favorite Spyderco designs. Also, the Wal-Mart Native was very accessible at around $40.00 so something in this range could garner the support for the number needed to do a run such as this.

What about a spin-off of some of the newer designs that might stir some interest? The Tenacious, Persistence, or perhaps maybe a cheaper version of the Leafstorm? I'm a sucker for the leaf-shaped blades. :)

Honestly, anything with a round hole will do it for me. Oh, and I love orange G-10 but that's been done a few times so... ;D

Heath

[fallow]

any design but make it g-10 and neon green maybe?


Didn't USN do that already?

[subrosa]

I like the Native, it's one of my favorite Spyderco designs. Also, the Wal-Mart Native was very accessible at around $40.00 so something in this range could garner the support for the number needed to do a run such as this.

What about a spin-off of some of the newer designs that might stir some interest? The Tenacious, Persistence, or perhaps maybe a cheaper version of the Leafstorm? I'm a sucker for the leaf-shaped blades. :)

Honestly, anything with a round hole will do it for me. Oh, and I love orange G-10 but that's been done a few times so... ;D

Heath


I would like the idea of a budget leafstorm that still used S30v, maybe with FRN instead? But that seems like quite a change in tooling. Eric mentioned above that we can do colors, handles etc, but it has to be a current/discontinued model i.e. no full handle redesigns.

I am not as hot on the idea of a custom Tenacius/Persistence as I tend to not buy Chinese produced knives. I would much prefer a VG-10/S30v/154cm blade.

The Manix-2 is a sweet knife 154cm/balllock/g-10, maybe we could see about that platform? It can retail for ~80 USD and with our additions we might push ~100 USD which is still within reason.

If possible I would like it to be "office" friendly i.e. no tacti-cool coatings or crazy dagger swedges.

My argument is that sub-100 can be rationalized as an impulse buy, if we can make it under 80 then with the right selection these will fly out of Jon's hands.



Didn't USN do that already?


Yep, Spyderco called it "toxic green"...looks sweet but it would be a can of worms to use it on another forum knife so soon. I will admit I do love the color.

[fallow]

Yep, Spyderco called it "toxic green"...looks sweet but it would be a can of worms to use it on another forum knife so soon. I will admit I do love the color.

the veritable can of worms...

[dewildeman]

Anything with G10 scales, I really don't care for the FRN. VG 10, ZDP or SV30 straight blade. I think, at least for the first one, we need to keep the cost under $100.

[copierguy_mobile]

After some consideration, I've decided that I like the Dragonfly better than the Native.

The one Bookeriv linked (http://edcforums.com/index.php?topic=30744.msg360219#msg360219) to earlier in the thread looks really nice. I'm not hung up on color. Whatever Jon can sell the most of is great by me.

Did I mention that it needs to have a pocket clip and it needs to be placed so I can use the clip and lanyard hole at the same time (after all, what's a knife without the right lanyard or fob?). ;)

-Greg

[subrosa]

After some consideration, I've decided that I like the Dragonfly better than the Native.

The one Bookeriv linked (http://edcforums.com/index.php?topic=30744.msg360219#msg360219) to earlier in the thread looks really nice. I'm not hung up on color. Whatever Jon can sell the most of is great by me.



I would be interested if Spyderco could drop the G-10 and get the price down. A 2nd generation Dragonfly with FRN and a wire clip would be stellar, I would guess it would sell for around ~50 USD? Put on some fun colored FRN and stonewash the blade...I will take 2 of them ;)

I have had a lot of trouble justifying a G-10 Dragonfly, sure it is a great knife, but....2x regular dragonfly? If they upgraded the blade steel ala the Ritter Grip...maybe...but just slapping on liners and G-10 does not do it for me.

[fallow]

I would be interested if Spyderco could drop the G-10 and get the price down. A 2nd generation Dragonfly with FRN and a wire clip would be stellar, I would guess it would sell for around ~50 USD? Put on some fun colored FRN and stonewash the blade...I will take 2 of them ;)

I have had a lot of trouble justifying a G-10 Dragonfly, sure it is a great knife, but....2x regular dragonfly? If they upgraded the blade steel ala the Ritter Grip...maybe...but just slapping on liners and G-10 does not do it for me.


True that the g10 doesn't automatically make it a better knife. You'd need to spec up a few things more important, I'd want to be able to move the clip for tip down tip up carry, have a separate lanyard hole, have a H1 blade, flat grind, wire clip, removable screws/pivot.

[fallow]

this threads kinda died...

ok here is a mock up

Spyderco Dragonfly/UK Penknife H1 PE:

- Natural G10 Scales
- H1 steel
- Jimping on spine
- EDIT - Slipit Mechanism
- Flat grind
- Wire Clip
- Lanyard hole

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/4253/edcfspyderconaturalg10d.jpg

[Cosmo7809]

Very nice mock up...


Although cant be VG10 and H1

[JonSidneyB]

Are we getting closer to something that might be doable ;D

[fallow]

Very nice mock up...


Although cant be VG10 and H1

:brickwall:

[Cosmo7809]

:brickwall:



Haha, just looking out!

Though that would be a sweet combo

[youngheart80]

I'm digging that Dragonfly especially with the clip. I'll echo a lot of what's been said - affordable, small, a true EDC type of blade. Price would be the limiting factor for me. Mostly I like the Persistance, Dragonfly, and Delica options.

[JP]

Sign me up for one. If this project gets off the ground soon what type of time line are we talking about for delivery? Late fall, Christmas? Will a edcforums logo be emblazoned on this?

[JonSidneyB]

The time would be how ever long it takes for there to be enough interest to do it. It would be very easy to be upside down on this for me. Since we don't have anywhere near 300 people showing interest yet we still have time for comments on a design that might get 300 interested.

[Monocrom]

Not really a fan of wire clips. But must admit that a wire clip is better than the integral zytel one that comes with the FRN Dragonfly.

As far as getting 300 confirmations, I'd be in for a Dragonfly or Native with plain edges. (I'd also be in for any Spyderco that is similar in size to a Dragonfly).

Only 299 left to go.... :-X

[JonSidneyB]

We have 81 relies to this thread :P

[Cosmo7809]

I will take ANY spydie with the EDC logo

So 298 to go :roof:

[jenkinma]

i would take one... 297 :lolhammer:

[Belush2]

Count me in!! .....I'm good for one..... :thumbsup: 296 and counting....

[greyhound352]

Count me in for one also!!!

[2506sniper]

I'll take one also, whatever is decided upon. 295 to go

[bookeriv]

Count me as confirmed (294).

[Rawls]

I'd like a locking Dragonfly of the design above. Depending on price, I'd get one. I'd pay twice the regular price if the profits went to the forum.

[fallow]

I'd be silly not to put my hand up, it's a sweet design, I should know, I did it!

I'd get 2, so thats 291

[JonSidneyB]

fallow,

If you can get them all to agree on a design and then you can help get us to 300 I will give you your two knives ;D

[fallow]

Jon, why should I get special treatment? We are all here for the same reason, we're EDCF fans. I'm guessing if we keep the price under $100 or close to, we'll get the interest. I'm more than happy to pay for 2 at full price. All of you reading this should be spreading the word, spyderco forums, blade forums, USN forums, CPF, etc, the more interest, the lower the unit price.

300 buyers X $100= $30,000

And when you think about it, Spyderco doesn't have to spend anything on advertising or marketing to get this potential sell, they're asking us as expert R&D people. So around $100 (or thereabouts) is great for a custom EDC knife!

I reckon we can comfortably do this.

I know Jon needs to make sure this works, otherwise he's left in the lurch, so we need to realise that we can support the EDCF, and get a really good EDC knife, thats LTD ED. How good would it be to have an actual EDCF knife?! C'mon forumers, get on board!

[JonSidneyB]

LOL,

I would not be getting anywhere close to 30,000

I am guessing maybe between 1,000 and 2,000 for the forum and store if this is a go.

I think we need to get everyone in this thread sort of on board with a design they could not get elsewhere then spread the word ;D

[fallow]

C'mon Jon, I know you wont be getting $30,000 from this, it will be a %, but that in itself is a good thing, we all like this place so why not make sure it's here for us to enjoy!

An exclusive EDC knife by one of the leading knife makers? sounds good to me, even if you don't like it, collectable knives are worth some $$$, so we get 1st preference on something surely desirable to all the spyderco fans that might want to get a EDCF knife.

Another thing to realise, you can't please all the people all the time, but this should please a fair few people.

[JP]

I am in. Number 290

[indabayou]

I"M IN #289

[Lugsalot]

That mutant Dragonfly is the best-looking design yet proposed in this thread! O0

One question: your specs list it as "friction fold." Do you mean it should be a real friction folder, or a Slipit like the UKPK, etc?

This is pretty much everything I'd like to see in an EDCF knife. It's small enough to comply with dumb laws nearly the world over, it doesn't have a "dangerous assault locking-mechanism," and it's based on a great existing design that's due for a makeover.

I'd buy at least one of these, easy. :)

[fallow]

sorry I meant slipit, couldn't think of the mechanism when I was posting it.

[JonSidneyB]

My first thought is something that’s a good EDC carry, like a Calypso Jr, Delica, Native, UK, Ladybug, Dragonfly, Centofante, and Goddard. I’m sure there’s more I’m missing. My personal thoughts would be a Calypso Jr lightweight or Centofante 3.
Models currently in production are simpler to manufacture, make changes, and work in smaller quantities. Minimums are usually 300-500 and up depending on the changes. Models Not currently in production would need a larger minimum, usually 600 and up. The minimums and cost are two very import variables in choosing a knife.
Depending on adjustments made, quantity, price and lead time can change. Something like a Delica, Native, ladybug and Dragonfly, we can make smaller batches and be more cost effective. Something like a Calypso Jr lightweight or Goddard can be more difficult because they are no longer in the current line.
The possibilities are large on the type of things we can do. We can make changes with coatings, engravings, grinds, edge configurations, handle material, blade material, colors and others.
I hope this helps.



I will see if Eric can tell me quantities on this kind of an adjustment.

[Lugsalot]

I'll buy at least two. It'd be perfect if it were "waved," but that might not fly overseas... :-X

:) :) :)

:D :D :D

[JonSidneyB]

;D This is funny, we have a knife count going and we don't know what the knife is yet :lolhammer:

[bryce]

one for me.

[Monocrom]

Just curious, have we decided on a slip-joint or rocker-lock for the EDC knife. The regular Dragonfly models come with a lock. But a slip-joint should be possible with that model's shorter blade. If we pick a larger knife, like a Native, perhaps a lock would be better.

[copierguy_mobile]

Glad to see this thread is still alive.

If it's gonna look like the mock-up (http://edcforums.com/index.php?topic=30744.msg369245#msg369245) that fallow posted earlier, I'm in for one. (even if it doesn't have a lock :P)

I'm not sure I'm a fan of natural G10 so I went on a hunt for pics of Spydie's in natural, and while I was hunting, I found this:

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7234/lsspywg.jpg (http://img401.imageshack.us/i/lsspywg.jpg/)

It's a replacement handle from Wilkins Knives (http://www.wilkins-knives.com/start_e.html) and is jade instead of natural but it's uber cool. I love the dimples and it appears to be thicker than the stock handle slabs too... Is something like that even a possibility for the EDCF knife? (BTW, The jade color is cool too :-X).

-Greg

[Lugsalot]

;D This is funny, we have a knife count going and we don't know what the knife is yet :lolhammer:


This is because we want EDCF to live long and prosper. We'll agree on something eventually, and then a bunch of us will buy it! ;D



sorry I meant slipit, couldn't think of the mechanism when I was posting it.


No worries! That's what I thought you meant! :)



Glad to see this thread is still alive.

If it's gonna look like the mock-up (http://edcforums.com/index.php?topic=30744.msg369245#msg369245) that fallow posted earlier, I'm in for one. (even if it doesn't have a lock :P)

I'm not sure I'm a fan of natural G10 so I went on a hunt for pics of Spydie's in natural, and while I was hunting, I found this:

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7234/lsspywg.jpg (http://img401.imageshack.us/i/lsspywg.jpg/)

It's a replacement handle from Wilkins Knives (http://www.wilkins-knives.com/start_e.html) and is jade instead of natural but it's uber cool. I love the dimples and it appears to be thicker than the stock handle slabs too... Is something like that even a possibility for the EDCF knife? (BTW, The jade color is cool too :-X).

-Greg


This is awesome, but I'm sure we'd all appreciate thinner slabs on the knife for added pocket friendliness.

The thought of a knife that EDCFers the world over can carry without a hassle is heart-warming. Let's pray it becomes a reality! :)

[dewildeman]

;D This is funny, we have a knife count going and we don't know what the knife is yet :lolhammer:


Whatever knife it ends up being, I'm in!

[Lugsalot]

Me too! :highfive:

[greyhound352]

May be we need to set up some polls to find out what the forum members would be interested in for various features: which Spyderco knife, scale color, blade edge type, and other features.

[subrosa]

Glad to see this thread is still alive.

If it's gonna look like the mock-up (http://edcforums.com/index.php?topic=30744.msg369245#msg369245) that fallow posted earlier, I'm in for one. (even if it doesn't have a lock :P)

I'm not sure I'm a fan of natural G10 so I went on a hunt for pics of Spydie's in natural, and while I was hunting, I found this:

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7234/lsspywg.jpg (http://img401.imageshack.us/i/lsspywg.jpg/)

It's a replacement handle from Wilkins Knives (http://www.wilkins-knives.com/start_e.html) and is jade instead of natural but it's uber cool. I love the dimples and it appears to be thicker than the stock handle slabs too... Is something like that even a possibility for the EDCF knife? (BTW, The jade color is cool too :-X).

-Greg


I own one of the prototype scales...it is great...in fact it might be the one in the photo. Fit and finish wasn't perfect, but it was a proto.

Part of the issue is that the lowest price on the Leafy is 134+shipping, with customizations it becomes close to a 200 dollar knife really really fast. In fact my custom scaled one was around that price. It has it's own design drawbacks, but for a first forum knife we should start off easy.

I would take a look at the knife Spyderco just made for it's own forum, it is quite beautiful, not 100% on the purple, but I bought one anyways. 300 sold out really fast, so I am sure that would bode well for our future forum knife.

http://www.spyderco.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39871

[IROCKID]

Put me down for at least one...

Where are the polls?

Maybe start with...Black or Natural Blade colour

Then straight or partially serrated?

Vote for option by option or just get 6 mock ups made that Spyderco will do for EDCF and the one with the most votes is it?

I do like the ideas of, under $100, lockback, 3" blade length or less..

Either the Delica or Endura...they are classics and affordable....maybe with a VERY fancy scale, just for us?

The Stretch is kind of hot too...the more I look through their website, the more I like...

Anything like those 3 would be awesome...

[KDOG08]

I would possibly be in for one. I like the Delica and Ladybug with foliage handles.

[Brandon212]

Hi im new to this site (my first post :roof:) and love this site so count me in for one of these spyderco's!!!!

[illusion]

Whats up with these small knives, would like to see something more then 3" :P

[IROCKID]

Whats up with these small knives, would like to see something more then 3" :P


That's what SHE said!! :lolhammer:

JK

[illusion]

That's what SHE said!! :lolhammer:

JK

:lolhammer:

[Darksabre]

Spyderco Dragonfly/UK Penknife H1 PE:

- Natural G10 Scales
- H1 steel
- Jimping on spine
- EDIT - Slipit Mechanism
- Flat grind
- Wire Clip
- Lanyard hole


O0
If this is the one put me down for 2 or 3.

[V a a m Y o b]

What's the latest info on this?
I'm waiting to see what this looks like before making any more knife purchases.

[JohnK]

ill take a knife
id like to see a keychain knife but ill get whatever u make :)

[JonSidneyB]

I have been waiting to see if any more creative ideas come out and if a couple of the ideas start building momentum.

I hope it can be unique enough that it will not be mistaken for another Spyderco yet still be highly practical and have broad appeal.

It kind of needs to be. 300 is a huge number of knives but I think it can be done. The forum is growing at a fast pace but we are still relatively small.


Ok ok, here is the real reason. I want you guys to choose the folder because I am going to pick the EDCF 2010 fixed blade design ;D

[carrot]

Stick a bunch of flat ground Delica blades into a new color of FRN scales, or an interesting one like white, put on a polished pocket clip and put on EDCF2010, and I'm sold.

[thistle5]

I like the idea of a Centofante 3 as the forum knife-Mr. Centofante recently passed away, so it's a nice memorial to a great knife designer,as well as a beautiful design...this one of the few designs mentioned that I don't have yet, so whether or not it becomes a forum knife, I plan on adding one to my collection.

[JonSidneyB]

The Centofante 3 looks like a very very nice knife.

We would have to refer to what we were told by Spyderco. Some models will take a higher knife count than others. I have no idea how many we would have to get to for one of those.

[heathah]

Well, after perusing this thread for the last hour or so, I believe I have gathered the options that have been presented and have garnered a little attention. Here is the list. I have added a couple options that I thought were mentioned but couldn't find and also a couple that may not have been thought of. Here are the options for each aspect, presented in alphabetical order.

Models:

Calypso Jr.
Centofante 3
Delica
Dragonfly
Endura
Native
Persistence
Sage
Tenacious
UK Penknife
Urban

Blade Steel: (Blade grind left to current model in production but could be changed...)

154CM
H1
S30V
VG-10

Blade Finish: (If possible...)

Polished
Stonewashed

Handle:

Carbon Fiber
FRN
G-10
Stainless Steel

Handle Color: (If applicable...)

Digi Cam
Foliage
Green
Grey
Natural
Orange
White

Clip:

Plastic
Steel
Wire (Ti)

Please let me know if I missed an option. Would you like me to start a poll with this data? If so, I'll do so and maybe we can get this narrowed down.

Thanks!

Heath

[JonSidneyB]

I pulled an all nighter working on stuff out here so sorry I am not finding the post. Eric of Spyderco posted someplace what basic knives would be the easiest for us to pull off. Then ones it could be based on requiring only 300. If somehow we could go way beyond that the others would be great but maybe we should focus on the versions of the pattern that he said we could so in the smaller quanities ;D

I can't even remember what those knife models were. On the other hand if we brought back on older one that has not been made for awhile we could do a mass mailing of all the members that have not been out here before and get the word to spread all over the place to get the out of print but desirable Spyderco. Not sure if that would work.

When a design is finally decided on the plan is to then sound out a mass emailing to everyone that might not be aware of this. All almost 15k of us, we might be able to pull this off if we do that once we have a design. I don't want to do a mass mailing though until a knife is picked. ;D There would be too many cooks in the kitchen and a choice would never be made ;D

[JohnK]

lets do a dodo with orange scales and a black blade :D

[crossroads]

My vote would be for a slipit, perhaps the Urban. Only real problem is the cost, not sure whether 300 EDCF members could afford it.

[heathah]

Jon, here's what I found that he posted.

Reply #57: (http://edcforums.com/index.php?topic=30744.msg366879#msg366879)


My first thought is something that’s a good EDC carry, like a Calypso Jr, Delica, Native, UK, Ladybug, Dragonfly, Centofante, and Goddard. I’m sure there’s more I’m missing. My personal thoughts would be a Calypso Jr lightweight or Centofante 3.
Models currently in production are simpler to manufacture, make changes, and work in smaller quantities. Minimums are usually 300-500 and up depending on the changes. Models Not currently in production would need a larger minimum, usually 600 and up. The minimums and cost are two very import variables in choosing a knife.
Depending on adjustments made, quantity, price and lead time can change. Something like a Delica, Native, ladybug and Dragonfly, we can make smaller batches and be more cost effective. Something like a Calypso Jr lightweight or Goddard can be more difficult because they are no longer in the current line.
The possibilities are large on the type of things we can do. We can make changes with coatings, engravings, grinds, edge configurations, handle material, blade material, colors and others.
I hope this helps.

Using Eric's input, the more affordable models are the Delica, Native, Ladybug, and Dragonfly.

Here is the updated list with the more affordable models in bold. Perhaps these should be our only contenders?

Models:

Delica
Dragonfly
Ladybug
Native

Calypso Jr.
Centofante 3
Endura
Persistence
Sage
Tenacious
UK Penknife
Urban

Blade Steel: (Blade grind left to current model in production but could be changed...)

154CM
H1
S30V
VG-10

Blade Finish: (If possible...)

Polished
Stonewashed

Handle:

Carbon Fiber
FRN
G-10
Stainless Steel

Handle Color: (If applicable...)

Digi Cam
Foliage
Green
Grey
Natural
Orange
White

Clip:

Plastic
Steel
Wire (Ti)

Thanks!

Heath

[greyhound352]

O0 Heath
On compiling a list of options for a EDCF Spderco Knife.




Please let me know if I missed an option. Would you like me to start a poll with this data? If so, I'll do so and maybe we can get this narrowed down.

Thanks! Heath

:iagree: A poll would be a good idea to find out what everybody's opinion is on the knife options.

[dewildeman]

I think it's time for a poll, Model, Steel, Scales and Blade color/type. I think we can pull off 300.
Vote early, vote often, may the best knife win!

[heathah]

Okay, I think I fixed the poll correctly. Please click here to participate (http://edcforums.com/index.php?topic=32389.0)!

Heath

[thistle5]

I voted in the poll, although my favorite model, the Centofante 3, wasn't included-I'm just amazed that blade edge-plain, combo, or serrated/spyder edge wasn't included-I guess most folks here would go w/ PE. If I could get a S30V Delica w/ natural g-10 handles & a wire clip, I'd still be very happy (& it'd be a gorgeous knife-elegant, but subdued, a true EDC)!

[thistle5]

I 'm also going to add my opinion as one who has bought 2 forum knives in the last year (not that it matters)-I guess the most important factor is choosing a shape that will be popular with the majority of forum members. Of the 2 I have, USN & Spyderco forum models, my favorite, hands down, is the USN model. Yes, the toxic green & black blade are cool & the Emerson wave is new to me (but not necessary),the deciding factor is my plain-jane, black FRN Endura is my most carried Spyderco ever-perfect form & function! While I'm warming up to the Spyderco forum native (it IS purple, although muted & I like the spiderweb etching), the Native is not an appealing shape to me-it's entirely subjective. I do like alot of the smaller Spydies, but the ladybug is just a little too small... I don't have a Delica, so I chose that as my backup choice, I do have a lovely SS etched Dragonfly, & I like that shape as well...

Bottom line, I will probably buy an EDC forum Spyderco, whtever model is picked-I'm a fan of both the forum & the company-I hope whatever is selected is beneficial to both the forum & to Spyderco, business-wise...

[Cosmo7809]

I have an idea.... Maybe its the worst idea or the best... I dont know



Since it will be pretty hard to get ATLEAST 300 EDC forum members to totally commit to a knife why not do a joint forum knife? :shrug:

It would bring the count up very quick... Hell 300 of the 2009 spyderco forum knives sold in 8 hours!!!! And still people want more







Just saying.....

[Brandon212]

So any news if it's going to happen? :popcorn:

[monkeysfistmaker]

I would, no doubt, buy one. I would also love to see a knife under the $100.00 mark. Perhaps a GITD feature would be cool too?

[JonSidneyB]

So any news if it's going to happen? :popcorn:


I am going to let you guys decide what the knife is. ;D

When you have decided give me a yell and then we will try and get the list high enough :)

[islandson]

:P Dang skippy. I'm in, at least one, depends what is the outcome, maybe two.. :woohoo:

[IROCKID]

I am going to let you guys decide what the knife is. ;D

When you have decided give me a yell and then we will try and get the list high enough :)


How do WE decide? I've cast a vote on the forum.....how much longer until something gets shown?
I'm in for at least one.

[JonSidneyB]

There is a link in reply #130

[DocSavage]

There is a link in reply #130


I'm in... for at least one...

DocSavage

[IROCKID]

I already voted....is there going to be a cut off date set in order to get a prototype or mock up done? Or is this just going on until enough people say they want one?

I'm confused...

[JonSidneyB]

I am wondering how to do a cut off.

I said I would remove myself from the selection process to let you guys decide when a choice has been made.

Thinking...

Maybe you guys vote to decide how to declare a winner and when the voting is over.

Oh my, a vote to determine a vote :knuppel2:

[heathah]

Should we form a committee to institute a vote to determine the cutoff time for the original vote? ;D

October 13 will be two weeks from the poll creation. Would this be long enough for everyone to vote or should we wait 3 weeks, 4 weeks?

Jon, should we put a link up on the header about voting for a EDCF Spyderco? I know you wanted to members to decide but some help might be warranted. Some people may have simply not seen this or the poll thread.

Just a thought...

Heath

[JonSidneyB]

That all sounds good to me.

I will get a link at the top of the forum to the Poll sometime on Monday.

Whatever you guys think is the best for this. ;D



Should we form a committee to institute a vote to determine the cutoff time for the original vote? ;D

October 13 will be two weeks from the poll creation. Would this be long enough for everyone to vote or should we wait 3 weeks, 4 weeks?

Jon, should we put a link up on the header about voting for a EDCF Spyderco? I know you wanted to members to decide but some help might be warranted. Some people may have simply not seen this or the poll thread.

Just a thought...

Heath

[Rawls]

I am sorta surprised that no one mentioned it yet, but an EDCF version of the Caly Jr. would be SWEET. It is a great size and great design, plus, given that it has been out of production for a while, a EDCF version would be pretty unique. Personally I'd love to see a wire clip like the Spyderco Q, but that is probably not possible (that would be a "best of" Spyderco features). I like FRN handles.

[Byrd2000]

I like the idea of something smaller maybe, like a Cricket or Bug. Maybe even the Persistence G-10 or a byrd model.

[parawolfe]

I like the idea of a plain edge Dragonfly with H1 steel, FRN handles and a wire clip.

Parawolfe

[jag-engr]

I like the idea of a plain edge Dragonfly with H1 steel, FRN handles and a wire clip.

The only drawback to H1 steel is that the blade would probably be a hollow ground saber cut. Otherwise, this sounds like a good setup.

[IROCKID]

It sounds like everyone wants something a little different.....I'm thinking that the design will never come about...or no one will like it enough to buy one...

Maybe Jon, you should just pick 5 configurations and just vote on those 5 or so...

Or just set an end date in the thread for the voting to be done....then the top picks will be what's used....

The poll only shows 70 or so votes...it's going to take awhile to hit 100...

[jzmtl]

Have you guys seen the cat? S30V blade, CF handle, sub $50 street price, seems like a great platform to start.

[jag-engr]

Have you guys seen the cat? S30V blade, CF handle, sub $50 street price, seems like a great platform to start.


Really?!

[jzmtl]

Really?!


Yep (http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_detail.html?s=SP129CFP), but it doesn't seem to be widely available yet. Some guys already bought one but I can't find anybody have it in stock.

[Vic303]

I like the idea!

[Al-Dog]

Glad to see this thread is still alive.

If it's gonna look like the mock-up (http://edcforums.com/index.php?topic=30744.msg369245#msg369245) that fallow posted earlier, I'm in for one. (even if it doesn't have a lock :P)

I'm not sure I'm a fan of natural G10 so I went on a hunt for pics of Spydie's in natural, and while I was hunting, I found this:

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7234/lsspywg.jpg (http://img401.imageshack.us/i/lsspywg.jpg/)

It's a replacement handle from Wilkins Knives (http://www.wilkins-knives.com/start_e.html) and is jade instead of natural but it's uber cool. I love the dimples and it appears to be thicker than the stock handle slabs too... Is something like that even a possibility for the EDCF knife? (BTW, The jade color is cool too :-X).

-Greg


I really love the look of this Spyderco Wilkins. Do you think something like this could be a possibility?

[dewildeman]

The Cat looks great but according to the website they are taking preorders, it's not available till January.

[Bucky]

Another vote for the Cat.

S30V and carbon fiber for around $50 sounds like a perfect fit for our knife. Plus, the blade length is short enough for it to be legal in almost every place where folding knives are allowed.

[parawolfe]

Have you guys seen the cat? S30V blade, CF handle, sub $50 street price, seems like a great platform to start.


Sounds like a great knife, the price is right too. But where would the EDCF logo go?

[Bucky]

I think usually the logos are etched on the blade.

[sgt.blade]

I would be in for one as well, depending on price.

[Cervantes]

I really love the look of this Spyderco Wilkins. Do you think something like this could be a possibility?


I'm liking the look of this Spyderco and would love to see this as an EDC forums branded item.
I believe it's the Cat.

[KDOG08]

Bump for this thread. I reallly like the Cat design. I would definetly buy one of those.....