Suggest a keychain knife

[kennyj]

I'm feeling the need for a dedicated keychain knife. I don't like the one that came with my LM Squirt. Atwood's keychain tools never fail to make me drool, though I'm open to other options. I need something solid, capable of doing precise work with the tip in a variety of grips (including a scapel-like grip) and also capable of effective cutting through thick materials. Needs to be... about the size of a Prybaby or so. :D

I'm willing to consider folders provided they have a very effective locking mechanism, but for size and weight I think that fixed blades will be the way to go here.

I've looked at the different keychain knives on Atwood's gallery and none of them came out and screamed "BUY ME" but all tempted me to some degree. I'm concerned about the ergonomics of the Keykutter, that Tanto Booger looks too "chunky" (also curious about the grip and the utility of a tanto in such a size,) and the Skeeter's grind and apparent lack of anything to help with grip. The Wharnie looked good, but too big for my keychain.

[deeker]

I would suggest a Spyderco Jester or Ladybug. You can sometimes find them in nice people-friendly colours.

Jester
http://spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=41

Ladybug
http://spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=18

[Jim101]

Yes, I picked up a Ladybug at the last gun show for ~$15.00, great for a pocket knife..............

Jim

[kennyj]

Hmm, interesting. I'm not a fan of Spyderco's aesthetics, but the Ladybug looks pretty usable. I'm not so sure about the lockback though... they always struck me as a PITA to close. Something about them rubs me the wrong way. Still, that gives me ideas. Thanks!

[Craig720]

I'm feeling the need for a dedicated keychain knife.


If you want tiny, look no further than the Gerber LST ( Light Strong Tough) Micro. That's one of mine. I highly recommend it.

-- Craig

[webley445]

I don't know if it would fit you needs, but the Cold Steel Mini Pal fits nicely on a key chain.

[Deaths Head]

Another vote for the Spyderco Jester. I prefer it to the Lady bug because it has those serrations on the top of the tip of the blade that gives great control over such a small knife.
Or if you don't mind a slightly large knife, the Spyderco Spin or Dragonfly are also good choices as well.

[Gadget Guy]

I agree with Webley 445, the mini pal is a good choice. It fit fits perfectly on your keychain and will do just about any cutting task that you need, plus it is a great backup defense knife...

GG

[Deaths Head]

Did you get my message GG?

[Gadget Guy]

Sure did... I am now a member! PM M.Tex too...

GG

[scríbhneoir]

Sure did... I am now a member! PM M.Tex too...

GG

Whoa there! Member of WHAT? Some secret, exclusive, guys-only club???

[Gadget Guy]

Listen here Boots! Leave us Titaniac's alone!! ;D :laugh:

GG

[scríbhneoir]

I carry the SE Ladybug and the SS PE Jester on my key ring. *They both have their uses. konrad has Cricket on his key ring, but I don't want to put Cricket or Spin on it (though either would be excellent choices) because I don't want my keys and prybaby to scratch up the surfaces--I clip those to pockets or waistbands. *

What about the little AG Russell knife? *Or if you can get your hands on one, the mini Police? Tiny but wicked.

[scríbhneoir]

Listen here Boots! Leave us Titaniac's alone!!* ;D :laugh:

GG


I'll give you boots...right in your Ti Twin Titaniacs! :lolhammer:

[Gadget Guy]

Ouch! :P

[webley445]

I'll give you boots...right in your Ti Twin Titaniacs! :lolhammer:


I'm jealous, mine are only brass :P

[scríbhneoir]

I'm jealous, mine are only brass :P


Um...I was talking about their bums... :-[

G2 and Ti Guy together are the Ti Twins... :laugh:

Okay, :topic:

[Gadget Guy]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :topic:

GG

[Deaths Head]

When I hear Ti twins, it sounds like we Thai twins! :laugh:

[Gadget Guy]

How about "Deaths Guy" and "Gadget Head"? Don't try it any other way, as it won't work! :lolhammer:

GG

[Deaths Head]

I like Gadget Head. ;D

[scríbhneoir]

I like Gadget Head. ;D


You're evading the issue. Members of what? >:D

[xDANx]

:knuppel2: :knuppel2: :knuppel2: *:topic: :topic: :topic: *:knuppel2: :knuppel2: :knuppel2:

[gp_frk]

Deaths Head
Titaniac's Guild Member

Gadget Guy
Titaniac's Guild Member


Hmmmmmmmmmmm? :police:

Nah I ain't telling! :bolt:

[Gadget Guy]

We hear you Dan, loud and clear... ;D Now :topic:

I like the Spyderco Ladybug, but I wish they made it in stainless steel...

GG

[pipedreams]

The Ladybug is a great choice. *I've had one for years. *One of the 58mm Victorinox knives, like the Classic, would give you more utility for your buck, though.

todd

[xDANx]

1 more for the Spyderco Ladybug.

[scríbhneoir]

I like the Spyderco Ladybug, but I wish they made it in stainless steel...

GG


There is the SS Jester. He, Cricket and Spin get used the most. All SS babies.

[Gadget Guy]

As soon as they make a mini SAK with a locking blade, then more people will start buying SAK's again. I love the liner lock on the Trekker...

GG

[Gadget Guy]

There is the SS Jester.* He, Cricket and Spin get used the most.* All SS babies.


I just went and checked out the Jester. It looks like it might fit the bill perfectly! It is 2-1/2" closed and all stainless steel. A very nice choice Scribbs... O0

GG

[colubrid]

Gerber LST.

I have owned a LOT of production and custom kifes and for 20 years this is what I carry.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v468/bluerosy/P1010978.jpg

[colubrid]

I used to carry the gerber in my pants pocket but lately I have been carrying outside of the pants.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v468/bluerosy/P1010979-1.jpg

[colubrid]

Just unhook it from the splitring and I'm ready to cut.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v468/bluerosy/P1010984.jpg

[colubrid]

Another reason I like the Gerber is its really easy to sharpen so its always sharp enough to cut hair. A couple swipes on tye V-sticks is all it takes.....I like this better than the real hard metels.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v468/bluerosy/aeae91e3.jpg

[pipedreams]

colubrid-

Did the clip on you Gerber come off a Fenix P1, by chance?

todd

[xDANx]

I had that same Gerber and loved it. But then I lost it. It was very small and light and cost about $8.

[porkchop]

Are looking for just a blade?

Maybe a Vic Classic or one of their small knives would fit the bill.

[colubrid]

colubrid-

Did the clip on you Gerber come off a Fenix P1, by chance?

todd


Yes a matter of fact it did come from the Fenix L1P. I like that clip for the ease of removal from the splitring. If you notice I use another type of clip for the ARC AAA v4. THis way I can tell which is which when I reach around my waist to remove.

[xDANx]

I've looked at the different keychain knives on Atwood's gallery and none of them came out and screamed "BUY ME" but all tempted me to some degree.* I'm concerned about the ergonomics of the Keykutter, that Tanto Booger looks too "chunky" (also curious about the grip and the utility of a tanto in such a size,) and the Skeeter's grind and apparent lack of anything to help with grip.* The Wharnie looked good, but too big for my keychain.


How about the Micro Card Knife? I have one and it is very easy to grip, more so than the booger.

[kennyj]

Wow... thanks for all the replies. I might just have to get one of the Spydies just to play with it a bit. ;D I'm still not convinced that they're what I'm looking for, and I'm not fond of how they just scream "I'm a knife!" so blatantly, but it looks like you do get a decent amount of knife out of one regardless.

I do like how they could still be considered more PC than a fixed blade once drawn, though. ******* are more familiar with tiny folders; something that looks like it could be a shank and gets yanked from a quick-drawing black sheath might raise a few more eyebrows, even if it blends in when sheathed next to a set of other benign tools.

I actually have a couple of the tiny SAK keychain knives already... the combination of flimsy feel and lack of a locking mechanism put me off. That, and for the size/space/weight constraints, it's not a lot of knife for the form factor it comes in. I already have the LM Squirt to provide scissors, tiny screwdrivers, and a nail file, and the Prybaby to offer a stronger screwdriver and do any sort of prying I might need to do. Having both a SAK and LM on my keychain is a little redundant, and redundancy on my keychain is something I'm trying to keep to a minimum - the keychain IS a redundancy as I normally carry full-size tools whenever I anticipate a need for one.

I didn't think of the Micro Card Knife... I don't see it being useful for me for doing larger cutting jobs (since it can only be gripped with fingertips) but I do see it being handy for smaller, precise jobs. I'm really about being able to go both ways with one dedicated knife, though, so I'm probably going to pass that one up (might change my mind in the future if I have the extra cash to play with someday.)

Didn't like the mini Police or the CS Mini Pal. The Mini Police might've been great for me with more subtle serrations, or a partly-serrated blade; I see it as being the opposide to the Micro Card knife for my purposes - great for bigger jobs, but I don't see it doing precision work well.

I'm going to have to see if I can get my hands around one of the little Gerbers... I do believe those or similar models are available locally and for cheap - in fact, I think they're the only knives discussed here that actually exist in the local brick and mortar establishments (I need to find a decent knife store here... if they even exist.) If nothing else, they won't set me back by much at all and they'll make half-decent gifts if I decide I don't like them.

[CanDo]

A couple hours ago I bought one of these:
http://www.gerbergear.com/product.php?model=8484

I like it.... then I realized that it dosn't have a place to clip it to a keyring....
I'm just not sure about it otherwise, so looks like it'll be going back. Anyone have one of these or a similar model? What do you think? I'm pretty new to knives so am not a very good judge.

[kennyj]

You can always see about getting a Kydex sheath made for it. I'm probably doing that on whatever knive I get, if said knife doesn't come with one, for the convenience factor.

That's a sweet little knife... actually, I like it more than any of the other folders so far. The side is nice, too - might be a bit bigger when open than I had in mind (I may someday spring for a Mnandi and those are only about half an inch longer when closed, a third of an inch when open) but I could find other uses for such a blade as well. How much did you pay for it, if you don't mind me asking?

[7k7k99]

I decided to go with the spyderco ladybug for my new keychain knife -- the only think I don't like about it is that the spyderhole is too small and the knife is too small for my large hands to open one-handed, but it is the right size for a keychain in my opinion. It doesn't scream 'weapon' and it does have a locking blade unlike the sak's

[CanDo]

You can always see about getting a Kydex sheath made for it. I'm probably doing that on whatever knive I get, if said knife doesn't come with one, for the convenience factor.

That's a sweet little knife... actually, I like it more than any of the other folders so far. The side is nice, too - might be a bit bigger when open than I had in mind (I may someday spring for a Mnandi and those are only about half an inch longer when closed, a third of an inch when open) but I could find other uses for such a blade as well. How much did you pay for it, if you don't mind me asking?


Diez Dolares
Sorry I just like alliterations, please excuse my Spanish... That's $10
Do you think that I'd be finding a better deal, or a better knife for no more than $15 (or even 20 if it is MUCH better)??
I'm going to try to find some reviews on this knife, as well as see if Kydex is something I could do myself...
The locking mechanism worries be a little bit, just because I've never seen anything like it. My only other complaint is that the handle is so narrow, but I guess that that's inherring with a keychain knife :idiot2:
As far as attatching to a keyring, it looks like I could put a paracord (or decored paracord) lanyard through the hole at the end, but I'm not sure how long that will last rubbing against the blade...

I suppose that one day I'll look back on myself and laugh for having being so cheap.

And thank you very much for your response :)

Any additional feedback is welcome.

[Deaths Head]

How about a A. G. Russell Ultimate Pen Knife.* It's titanium!

A. G. Russell Ultimate Pen Knife (http://www.agrussell.com/knives/by_maker/a_through_d/a_g_russell_knives/folding_knives/a_g_russell_ultimate_pen_knife_40th_anniversary.ht ml)

[colubrid]

I'm going to have to see if I can get my hands around one of the little Gerbers... I do believe those or similar models are available locally and for cheap - in fact, I think they're the only knives discussed here that actually exist in the local brick and mortar establishments (I need to find a decent knife store here... if they even exist.) If nothing else, they won't set me back by much at all and they'll make half-decent gifts if I decide I don't like them.

The small LST Gerbers come in three sizes. The one I have is a step up from the smallest one. I think it is a better idea to go with the size I have as I had the smallest one at one time and its too small. The larger one is waay to big for a keychain.

Also the medium can be found on ebay for around $25. The smaller one is around $10-$11.

Get the medium size.

Good luck!

[LowWorm]

Folks, don't hijack the guy's thread for Pete's sake. :( NOT cool. I'd HATE to delete all that lovely banter...

I like my Atwood Booker, but I'm not sure if it has the amount of "grip" you're looking for, Kenny. I saw on Blade Forums, I think, the suggestion of a good hefty paracord fob to help fill the hand on smaller tools/knives. That may be a possibility.

Let us know what you decide on....

[kennyj]

Framelocks are actually known for being *exceptionally* secure. It's mechanically identical to a liner lock, but the frame itself forms the locking mechanism rather than a seperate, thin, flimsy liner. Not only is this design simpler, the fact that the solid frame can be used instead of a flimsy liner that has to be small enough to slide alongside the blade within the frame allows for dramatically improved locking strength, a lighter overall knife (or a thicker frame, due to space saved) and because there are fewer crevices for things to hide in, a cleaner mechanism. The result is that the actuation is more reliable, and a well-designed lock is almost immune to failure in most scenarios.

Those AG Russell pen knives are quite nice, though the lack of a lock concerns me a bit. I'm comfortable using slipjoints, but I prefer solid locking mechanisms.

Just out of curiosity, anyone know what steel the Mini Paraframe is made with?

I might end up trying to concoct my own blade and pass the basic design onto Peter. I might do that in addition to getting another knife or two so I can play around with a few different choices and see what works. ;D

[Lunal_Tic]

I've carried a Tekna Xtra Edge for about 20+ years and I believe they can still be found. I like that it's easy to use without the keys being a problem, nothing to disconnect, just draw.

-LT

[CanDo]

Kenny,
The mini paraframe is made out of 400 series SS. I'm not sure which sort of SS the handle is though. In honesty though, all this means to me is that it shoudln't rust....

The more I play with and read about this knife, the more I like it :) My fingers are getting used to the small grip as well. I'll probably run the mantle of paracord to make a tiny lanyard. This will enable it to be clipped to keys, and will provide a loop to put my little finger through for a great grip on otherwise dangerous tasks.
As for having a larger knife on a keychain.... I don't really think I'd want one. The miniparaframe packs a great blade for it's very small size (almost no wasted space). For tasks that I need a larger knife, I'll take out my folder. Having a larger knife on the keychain defeats the purpose of having something which is more PC, and just more generally accepted amongst ******* for opening packages and such.

[kennyj]

I just found the Mini Paraframe at my local Target, for $10. Not bad. I really didn't like it, though.

At first I was impressed with the knife. Lock was sturdy, action was smooth... but the knife was difficult to both open and close. Way too much tension on the locking bar. While the teflon bushings do help, it required two hands to open comfortably, and opening the lock was quite cumbersome due to the tension no matter which finger I used, one handed or two. I found undoing it even remotely comfortably one-handed to be almost impossible due to the tension and the lack of thumb access to the lock. The force required to simply unlock the knife made me worry about the possibilty of an accident if I slipped up while in a hurry, even using two hands. This is naturally a bad thing, especially for such a small, light tool with minimal grip on the handle.

So, I took it upon myself to reduce the tension on that locking bar. Had to remove the pocket clip to get to it (which I planned to do anyway) as it seemed to be positioned so that it would stop said lock bar from being bent back. I later found that this was most definitely intentional.

I found that the screws were probably machined from the same aluminum as the handle; otherwise, from a very soft steel. My allen wrench (1/16" seemed the best fit) just chewed it up, even though it seemed to fit. I was able to capitalize on this softness by turning them by gripping them on the outside with my Leatherman, essentially crushing them slightly to gain leverage, and hence removed them that way. Pocket clip came off; minimal damage to the finish, though most likely from manufacture and assembly. Nothing compared to what a few months of being on my keychain would do, though, so it's a non-concern for me.

So, I bent back the lock bar a little and reduced tension significantly. Opening and closing the knife was now quite reasonable, "juuust right" when compared to the other folders I own. Until I tried to test that lock... and found out that the one thing that I didn't like about the knife was also the one thing that made it work at all.

Here is where I verify the Mini para's ultimate design flaw. I noticed this in the store, though I didn't think it would be an issue - how wrong I was. While they did get the function of the framelock down, they utterly failed to consider things like geometry and the laws of physics. I found out why the tension was set so high before - the framelock design is terribly poor. Only about half of the lock bar actually contacts the blade, and the angle at which it does so (relative to the axis) means there's actually very little strength. It pushes against the tang near the axis and creates tension, but not near the corner that actually turns into the handle when the knife closes. This runs counter to the most basic principles of frame and liner lock design. You want to brace up against that corner, not simply provide resistance anywhere along that edge. The only reason it worked before is because the tension on the bar was quite high relative to any forces that one might expect to be exerted against it by the blade. Rather than doing some proper engineering, Gerber simply opted for the brute force approach.

If it were just built up a little more or was even shaped differently so it came flush with the tang, as on most proper framelocks, it'd be incredibly strong even with minimal tension. Instead, without a ridiculous amount of locking tension, the frame lock on the mini Para will fail with minimal effort. Reduce the tension and you're left with something resembling a shoddy liner lock.

Yes, I know that I modified it and that the original tension would make the lock very secure. But frankly, a minimal change to the handle's shape at the time of manufacture would have resulted in a much better framelock in terms of both security AND usability.

Oddly enough, it looked like Gerber's other framelocks got the design right (including the regular Paraframe.) I'm really at a loss as to what the hell happened with the Mini Para. It was otherwise a solid little knife... blade play was acceptable and it felt pretty darn solid for a $10 knife. Decent fit in the hand, good aesthetics, light weight, and fit and finish quite good for the price. Only changes I would've made would be improved right-thumb access to the framelock, increased sharpness out of the box and somewhere to put a lanyard without risking blade contact, and each of those are both picky little things that I wouldn't worry about. Creating such an issue with the opening and closing of the knife, however, is inexcusable for a folder.

[scríbhneoir]

Subliminal messaging here...Spyderco...Spyderco...Spyderco...Spyderco.. . :laugh:

Seriously, the Jester and Ladybug are discreet to carry. The SS Jester has a slightly larger Spydie Eye. For a little more, the Spin also would work well.

[Deaths Head]

Good morning Scribbs. SPYDERCO!

[pipedreams]

You get what you pay for.

todd

[samson722]

I'm suprised no one has mentioned Benchmade yet. They're definitely pricey, but I know a lot of people who carry the Benchmite II, and they're reasonably priced compared to any other Benchmade. Some versions of this knife are quite pricey, but if you're willing to pony up some extra cash...you can have Ti handles. Here's a very affordable SS version. I'm not certain it would fit your needs, but there are quite a few people out there who use them as dependable keychain knives. Let me know what you think. Good luck in your search!

<a href="http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_detail.html?s=BM10610">Benchmade Benchmite II</a>

Cheers!

Samson

[Gadget Guy]

I have never had a Benchmade that I didn't like or couldn't recommend. Like Pipedreams said, you get what you pay for...

GG

[redfish_md]

I recently got a Benchmade Benchmite II as posed by Stormdrane and am quite happy with it. I also have a n Atwood Booger and Keycutter that have served extremely well.

[kennyj]

I completely agree on the "you get what you pay for" schtick - I EDC a Sebenza, a McLux-PD and occasionally a Bug Out Bar. You're definitely preaching to the choir on that one. The Gerber was really a quick gimmie because it was cheap; what disappointed me most about it was how much better it could've been even for $10. A minor tweak to the mold would make it a killer tiny EDC. It came so close to getting it right and failed due to a simple design oversight, and that's a shame IMO.

I fully intend to try out the Spyderco and Benchmades, I just need to find a local store that stocks them (I think I have already, but it's on the other end of town and I'm a little short on free time these days.)

Also, still pondering an Atwood... just not sure where I wanna go with it. I need to find a tanto I can play with for a bit to see how I like that design; I'm thinking something along the lines of a tanto blade with a handle based on the one for the Proto Wharnie but a little more streamlined and shortened slightly, or maybe a Booger lengthened for a two-finger grip, the goal for both being an OAL of about 3". If I get enough downtime at work I might try to sketch out a few ideas one of these days.

[xDANx]

I'm suprised no one has mentioned Benchmade yet.* They're definitely pricey, but I know a lot of people who carry the Benchmite II, and they're reasonably priced compared to any other Benchmade.* Some versions of this knife are quite pricey, but if you're willing to pony up some extra cash...you can have Ti handles.* Here's a very affordable SS version.* I'm not certain it would fit your needs, but there are quite a few people out there who use them as dependable keychain knives.* Let me know what you think.* Good luck in your search!

<a href="http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_detail.html?s=BM10610">Benchmade Benchmite II</a>

Cheers!

Samson


That is a great knife. I have one and payed around $20 for it.

[scríbhneoir]

For a SS Wharnie less than 3"...with pics (no, I don't work for Spyderco. :) )

http://edcforums.com/index.php?topic=582.0

[redfish_md]

Sounds like you want an Atwood Imp. I just got one and love it.

[xDANx]

The Atwood Imp is a little to large for keychain carry. But one nice knife.

[CanDo]

I just found the Mini Paraframe at my local Target, for $10. Not bad. I really didn't like it, though.

At first I was impressed with the knife. Lock was sturdy, action was smooth... but the knife was difficult to both open and close. Way too much tension on the locking bar. While the teflon bushings do help, it required two hands to open comfortably, and opening the lock was quite cumbersome due to the tension no matter which finger I used, one handed or two. I found undoing it even remotely comfortably one-handed to be almost impossible due to the tension and the lack of thumb access to the lock. The force required to simply unlock the knife made me worry about the possibilty of an accident if I slipped up while in a hurry, even using two hands. This is naturally a bad thing, especially for such a small, light tool with minimal grip on the handle.

So, I took it upon myself to reduce the tension on that locking bar. Had to remove the pocket clip to get to it (which I planned to do anyway) as it seemed to be positioned so that it would stop said lock bar from being bent back. I later found that this was most definitely intentional.

I found that the screws were probably machined from the same aluminum as the handle; otherwise, from a very soft steel. My allen wrench (1/16" seemed the best fit) just chewed it up, even though it seemed to fit. I was able to capitalize on this softness by turning them by gripping them on the outside with my Leatherman, essentially crushing them slightly to gain leverage, and hence removed them that way. Pocket clip came off; minimal damage to the finish, though most likely from manufacture and assembly. Nothing compared to what a few months of being on my keychain would do, though, so it's a non-concern for me.

So, I bent back the lock bar a little and reduced tension significantly. Opening and closing the knife was now quite reasonable, "juuust right" when compared to the other folders I own. Until I tried to test that lock... and found out that the one thing that I didn't like about the knife was also the one thing that made it work at all.

Here is where I verify the Mini para's ultimate design flaw. I noticed this in the store, though I didn't think it would be an issue - how wrong I was. While they did get the function of the framelock down, they utterly failed to consider things like geometry and the laws of physics. I found out why the tension was set so high before - the framelock design is terribly poor. Only about half of the lock bar actually contacts the blade, and the angle at which it does so (relative to the axis) means there's actually very little strength. It pushes against the tang near the axis and creates tension, but not near the corner that actually turns into the handle when the knife closes. This runs counter to the most basic principles of frame and liner lock design. You want to brace up against that corner, not simply provide resistance anywhere along that edge. The only reason it worked before is because the tension on the bar was quite high relative to any forces that one might expect to be exerted against it by the blade. Rather than doing some proper engineering, Gerber simply opted for the brute force approach.

If it were just built up a little more or was even shaped differently so it came flush with the tang, as on most proper framelocks, it'd be incredibly strong even with minimal tension. Instead, without a ridiculous amount of locking tension, the frame lock on the mini Para will fail with minimal effort. Reduce the tension and you're left with something resembling a shoddy liner lock.

Yes, I know that I modified it and that the original tension would make the lock very secure. But frankly, a minimal change to the handle's shape at the time of manufacture would have resulted in a much better framelock in terms of both security AND usability.

Oddly enough, it looked like Gerber's other framelocks got the design right (including the regular Paraframe.) I'm really at a loss as to what the hell happened with the Mini Para. It was otherwise a solid little knife... blade play was acceptable and it felt pretty darn solid for a $10 knife. Decent fit in the hand, good aesthetics, light weight, and fit and finish quite good for the price. Only changes I would've made would be improved right-thumb access to the framelock, increased sharpness out of the box and somewhere to put a lanyard without risking blade contact, and each of those are both picky little things that I wouldn't worry about. Creating such an issue with the opening and closing of the knife, however, is inexcusable for a folder.


Well now I don't really know what to think....

It works for me, and I don't have a problem opening it one handed.
I was a bit confused by your description of how a framelock should work. On my Geber miniparaframe, the frame snaps in lining up across 2/3 of the width of the blade. In the other dimension, the frame locks in from just above the axis, right up past the corner which is on the same side of the blade.... How is this wrong? Rather, how would it be redesigned to be 'right'? I'm sorry that I'm a bit slow :nervous: :confused:

I guess the question is:

For about $10, is there anything better?

[kennyj]

I could demonstrate graphically a lot better than verbally, but I don't have the knife at this moment. In any case, I chucked it out of disgust (there was no viable means to retighten the lock bar tension, and the blade became too dangerous to use when loosened up.)

Maybe mine just came too tight, or my thumbs are just too stubby, but I had a very hard time operating that lock out of the box.

[RyanMalpiede]

http://members.aol.com/dissengaged/keyman.jpg
*Leatherman Keyman - I'll stop posting it when I stop loving it! :smitten:

[kennyj]

Looks almost like a SAK without scales. Slipjoint?

Not really my style (I've come to distrust things that don't lock open) but that looks like a really handy little knife.

[xDANx]

Have you considered the Benchmade Benchmite II (http://www.benchmade.com/products/product_detail.aspx?model=10610)?

$23 at knifesite.com

[Deaths Head]

Well now I don't really know what to think....

It works for me, and I don't have a problem opening it one handed.
I was a bit confused by your description of how a framelock should work. On my Geber miniparaframe, the frame snaps in lining up across 2/3 of the width of the blade. In the other dimension, the frame locks in from just above the axis, right up past the corner which is on the same side of the blade.... How is this wrong? Rather, how would it be redesigned to be 'right'? I'm sorry that I'm a bit slow* :nervous: :confused:

I guess the question is:

For about $10, is there anything better?

If you want the ultimate in simplicity, get a historical Douk-Douk. *It is a great knife!

[kennyj]

Damn... what do you do when you prefer the look and the blade shape of the Benchmite II but also prefer the materials of the original, now-discontinued Benchmite?

I like SS handles but they do seem to add to the weight a bit.

[RyanMalpiede]

u shoot down the SS cricket serrated without the clip? It makes a great chain and wallet knife! A little heavy but would save your @SS in Self Defense situation. Plus it's sharp as heck!!!!

[raptor]

Try a SOG micron. 1.5 inch blade. super small and flat, and has a cool blade shape. Can find them anywhere on the net for pretty cheap.

[charlie fox]

I've carried the Cold Steel Tuff Lite for years, mostly in one of my PSKs but it would make a great keychain knife. Small, tough and scary sharp!

[copykat]

Kershaw Ken Onion Rainbow Chive
http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/botach_1902_6170573
• Action: Speed-Safe Assist Ambidextrous Thumb Stud Folder
• Blade Material: 420 Stainless Steel
• Blade Style: Recurve Plain Edge, Coated to Match Model
• Handle Material: 410 Stainless Steel Coated to Match Model
• Locking Mechanism: Frame Lock
• Pocket Clip: Stainless Steel Situated for Tip-Down Carry
• Blade Length: 1 15/16"
• Handle: 2 7/8"
• Overall Open Length: 4 3/16"
• Weight: 1.9 oz.
I had one of these for years and loved it but lost it. ireally want another one but the $50 breaks my heart. i keep hoping ill find it
The auto assidted blade comes out via thumb stud or use your finger on the back side (easier)
I love auto assist but will have an osprey in the collection by fall.note the fwd mounted lock release
Al Mar Osprey -Pearl
http://www.gpknives.com/images/almar/AM1001P%5Bmedium%5D.jpg
Overall Length: 3.95"
Blade Length: 1.65"
Blade Thickness: 0.080"
Blade Material: AUS-8 Stainless (57-59 HRC)
Lock: Mid Lock
Handle Material: Pearl
Handle Length: 2.30"
Weight: 0.50 oz.
Bolster(s): Stainless Steel
Liner(s): Brass
Sheath: Leather Pouch

[kmcrawford111]

I have an original Benchmite. It was hard to track down but a user on bladeforums.com answered my call, and I even got a good price on it. It's a beautiful little knife. The Celtic knot design is just gorgeous. I love the Ti scales as well. It's incredibly light. My blurry pictures don't come anywhere close to doing it justice. The finish on the scales is actually not solid blue as the picture on Benchmade's site appears, but actually has a something of a rainbow-effect appearance (I don't know how the technical terms to describe it). Or maybe I just got lucky! Anyway, I struggle to actually use the knife because I'm afraid of marring its appearance, which is not like me, and I bought it to use it! I would go as far as to say it's the secound-best looking knife that I have seen, after the following: http://www.benchmade.com/products/product_detail.aspx?model=690CFP

[kennyj]

I really like the Chive and the Benchmite (both variants thereof.) The Onion's Speed Safe feature concerns me a little bit, as it could be construed as being a switchblade, and knife laws where I live (FL) aren't all that clear. I might be okay; I might need a CWP to carry the sucker. >:(

Can the non-AO Benchmites be opened one-handed, or does the lack of assisted opening make it a two-handed deal?

The Osprey is another thing I'm now considering, but I think I want something a little tougher... really on the fence, though, concerning just how chunky of a knife I want. I've decided against the Booger, for instance, for being a little too chunky, but the Osprey looks like it's just a tiny bit too far in the opposite direction.

[Deaths Head]

I really like the Chive and the Benchmite (both variants thereof.)* The Onion's Speed Safe feature concerns me a little bit, as it could be construed as being a switchblade, and knife laws where I live (FL) aren't all that clear.*
Take that into consideration when buying a knife.* Legally, AOs are fine, but LEOs and judges are the final word, so if you don't feel comfortable with an AO, don't buy one.* I don't buy them for that reason, and knives with flippers can be opened at almost the same speed in my opinion.* Then waved knives can be opened even faster, that is why I still recommend the Delica 4 Wave.

[kennyj]

Yeah... it's a shame, too, since I like everything else about that knife.

I just want it to lock securely and open one-handed... but I don't need it to risk getting me in legal hot water in the process.

[kmcrawford111]

Can the non-AO Benchmites be opened one-handed, or does the lack of assisted opening make it a two-handed deal?



I definitely need two hands to open my Benchmite efficiently.

[greencobra]

Another thread I've just found, interesting reading. Everyone with a different opinion, cool.

What I put on my setup was a Spyderco Jester. A small, 3 finger knife. Anything smaller is pretty much useless and bigger defeats the porpose of putting it on a keychain, IMO. If I need anything bigger, well there's always something bigger clipped to a pocket. Usually a Spyderco D3 but I've been know to have a Chive at times and that is something that has too much weight and size for my keychain.

[ousanas]

I can open my Benchmite 2 one handed, but it isn't that easy... hold upside down, press the lock with my index finger and use my middle finger to open the blade down, then turn the knife in my hand. I can do it pretty smooth now, but i've been practicing.

[lcranston]

For a small fixed blade I would suggest an Anza T-1. *I think I have also seen smaller ones. *They come with leather sheaths, but you could send it to Deaths Head for a kydex one. *The blade steel is not stainless and is made from files. *Here is a link to the Anza site:

http://www.anzaknives.com/products/collection_series.htm

[greencobra]

For a small fixed blade I would suggest an Anza T-1. *I think I have also seen smaller ones. *They come with leather sheaths, but you could send it to Deaths Head for a kydex one. *The blade steel is not stainless and is made from files. *Here is a link to the Anza site:

http://www.anzaknives.com/products/collection_series.htm

They make an interesting product. And the prices are not out of line. Have you any experience with them? Do you have the T-1?

[lcranston]

I owned a palm skinner that I liked, but a friend liked better. The edge held up well and I could get the knife very sharp. I think the steel is W-2 but am not sure. The file pattern was still partially visible on the blade, so it looked rustic. I would say it is more for use than for looks. I recommended the T-1 because it appears to be the smallest one listed on the Anza site. I think Moore Cutlery at one time had some smaller Anza knives on closout, but I don't see them on the site now.

[kennyj]

After some pondering and consideration, I got myself a Spyderco Jester and also ordered a SAK Signature (classic tiny keychain SAK with a pen) for the other tools - intended to get the heavy-*** LM Squirt off the keychain, in favor of the SAK's more precise scissors, the addition of a toothpick, etc. Also got a SwissTech multi screwdriver thingy, so I actually get more functionality than my Squirt had on my keychain with less weight... but I digress.

Haven't gotten the SAK in, but I've had the Jester on my keychain for a couple of days now.

Man... I'm actually very impressed. The serrations cut quite well, and the edge is deceptively sharp. It's quite a powerful and effective knife for someting so small... and the pictures really don't do it justice, it's surprisingly tiny.

The light weight helps a lot, as does the FRN handles that I won't care about having bang up against keys.

I love the blade's design, but I really with that there was a version with a frame lock and that used a better steel... 6A isn't bad but it isn't great either; I'd really like to see it with at least 8A, and VG-10 would probably be perfect.

I'm still contemplating an Atwood keychain knife, but none of his current designs do anything for me... I've got some ideas but I need to sketch them out. Best one so far was a modified Imp: Slightly-smaller, modified with a contoured and skeletonized handle, lightening holes, and a partly-serrated blade. If a bottle opener of some sort could be incorporated somehow, freaking awesome, as I could take off the Prybaby (save it for times when I can't carry a knife.)

[scríbhneoir]

After some pondering and consideration, I got myself a Spyderco Jester and also ordered a SAK Signature (classic tiny keychain SAK with a pen) for the other tools - intended to get the heavy-*** LM Squirt off the keychain, in favor of the SAK's more precise scissors, the addition of a toothpick, etc.* Also got a SwissTech multi screwdriver thingy, so I actually get more functionality than my Squirt had on my keychain with less weight...* but I digress.

Haven't gotten the SAK in, but I've had the Jester on my keychain for a couple of days now.

Man...* I'm actually very impressed. The serrations cut quite well, and the edge is deceptively sharp.* It's quite a powerful and effective knife for someting so small...* and the pictures really don't do it justice, it's surprisingly tiny.

The light weight helps a lot, as does the FRN handles that I won't care about having bang up against keys.

I love the blade's design, but I really with that there was a version with a frame lock and that used a better steel...* 6A isn't bad but it isn't great either; I'd really like to see it with at least 8A, and VG-10 would probably be perfect.


Woo hoo! Glad you like the Spydie! :rah: I use mine pretty much everyday!
Karen

[Peter Atwood]

I'm still waiting for my buddy Brian to bring me a Spyderco Ladybug as he has an extra. I own the Benchmite in ti and a mini Griptilian, both outstanding little knives. Paul mentioned the waved Delica above, played with one Friday and it is a GREAT knife although not exactly keychain size.

[JonSidneyB]

How about a bugger?

[7k7k99]

I'm still waiting for my buddy Brian to bring me a Spyderco Ladybug as he has an extra. I own the Benchmite in ti and a mini Griptilian, both outstanding little knives. Paul mentioned the waved Delica above, played with one Friday and it is a GREAT knife although not exactly keychain size.


I've got a ladybug on my keychain, but the only bummer is that my large hands can't get that little knife open one-handed -- thumb is too big for the hole I guess :(

[Lunal_Tic]

:bump:

The thread re-animator strikes again. :evilgrin:

-LT

[Patriot]

I like the CRKT P.E.C.K. They CAN open, but rarely do.

[peacefuljeffrey]

Hmm, interesting. I'm not a fan of Spyderco's aesthetics, but the Ladybug looks pretty usable. I'm not so sure about the lockback though... they always struck me as a PITA to close. Something about them rubs me the wrong way. Still, that gives me ideas. Thanks!


The thing that always rubbed me the wrong way about the Ladybug is the fact that it is ground on only one side.

[peacefuljeffrey]

I actually have a couple of the tiny SAK keychain knives already... the combination of flimsy feel and lack of a locking mechanism put me off. That, and for the size/space/weight constraints, it's not a lot of knife for the form factor it comes in. I already have the LM Squirt to provide scissors, tiny screwdrivers, and a nail file, and the Prybaby to offer a stronger screwdriver and do any sort of prying I might need to do. Having both a SAK and LM on my keychain is a little redundant, and redundancy on my keychain is something I'm trying to keep to a minimum - the keychain IS a redundancy as I normally carry full-size tools whenever I anticipate a need for one.

I didn't think of the Micro Card Knife... I don't see it being useful for me for doing larger cutting jobs (since it can only be gripped with fingertips) but I do see it being handy for smaller, precise jobs. I'm really about being able to go both ways with one dedicated knife, though, so I'm probably going to pass that one up (might change my mind in the future if I have the extra cash to play with someday.)

Didn't like the mini Police or the CS Mini Pal. The Mini Police might've been great for me with more subtle serrations, or a partly-serrated blade; I see it as being the opposide to the Micro Card knife for my purposes - great for bigger jobs, but I don't see it doing precision work well.

I am not clear on why you so desire a keychain-sized knife that can "handle big jobs."

If you have a "big job" to do, isn't it more reasonable to get a full-size tool to help you do it? "Use the right tool for the job" is an adage as old as mankind. Do you often get stuck smack in the middle of a big job that cannot wait, and find yourself without a regular, full-size tool?

I carry a relatively small neck knife, the CRKT Dogfish. It's a last-ditch knife. I don't use it for everyday tasks. It's kept for what it would be needed for, which would be an emergency or desperate survival/fight situation. I don't expect it to do my large cutting chores; I don't use it to cut open boxes or packages; I don't use it to cut food. For those tasks I have other tools that are more appropriate.

So I wonder if it is even reasonable to be thinking that a single keychain-sized knife is going to tackle all of the jobs you will want it to.

[Lorenzo]

I've got a ladybug on my keychain, but the only bummer is that my large hands can't get that little knife open one-handed -- thumb is too big for the hole I guess :(


I've tried a Ladybug and found out the same - it takes a lot of juggling to open such a tiny knife one-handed.
When searching for a Ladybug on Ebay (I fancied a green serrated one with a green Spyderco-labelled Photon light, this combo seems no longer to be in stock) I saw what may be a solution.

The owner put a cable tie through the hole, drew it tight and cut the tail off - so a kind of plastic stud was formed. Maybe this beats the very idea of getting a Ladybug and surely will make cleaning the blade a bother if you got it in some food or stuff (the tie will probably have to be just replaced), but this will make opening a snap.

[Mark123]

I don't carry a keychain knife b/c I always have a Gerber Multitool and Neck carry hideaway. But if I did it would probably be a Leatherman Micra. For me size would be a premium. My keychain is already growing out of control.

I used to carry a Utili-key, but stopped b/c it had little practical use for me. What pushed me to my final decision was when I tried to use it as a sparking device with flint, and it wasn't very practical.

[RyanMalpiede]

I have been going very lightweight EDC lately on the keychain ... even put up my Leatherman Keyman in trade for a Utilikey. Problem is now that utili-keys are made in china, they are not really up to the quality they used to be. I tried to cut a ziptie this thursday, and just couldn't do it with the fake serrations on the little key.

So Now I am in the same boat as you. I might go back to my discontinued spyderco Lady Bug II that has a fully serrated sheepfoot blade. That, or my extremely sharp, extremely light, AG Russell Titanium Handle Pen Knife. I'll keep you posted.

I wish they made a bale on the larger lockback version ... if enough people ask they will.

AG Russell (http://www.agrussell.com/knives/by_maker/a_through_d/a_g_russell_knives/folding_knives/a_g_russell_25_titanium_lockback_folder.html)

[carrot]

I have pretty big hands and I can open and close my Jester one handed.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/141/326526975_537fffcbdc_t.jpg (http://farm1.static.flickr.com/141/326526975_537fffcbdc.jpg)

[Jedi Knife]

If you want tiny, look no further than the Gerber LST ( Light Strong Tough) Micro. That's one of mine. I highly recommend it.

-- Craig


I had one of those years ago with a neon green handle. I loved that little knife. Gerber quality was really good back then. Is this still a current production knife? If so, that's good news.

[EDCPHREAK]

I love the Victorinox Classic for EDC. It doesn't cut it for big jobs, but the scissors, knife, file, toothpick and tweezers have been used many many times....