Emergency Airway Device

[shoeblade]

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[Gadget Guy]

Very neat little item, but i'm claustrophobic and just the thought of it makes me turn green!* ;D

GG

[scríbhneoir]

Very neet little item, but i'm claustrophobic and just the thought of it makes me turn green!* ;D

GG


What he said--and ow! :yikes:

[Mahachippy]

I dunno...it is a neat idea, but I don't know that I would want to do that on someone because of the consequences it could have. Granted you could save a life, but IMO unless you are qualified to use that you could just as easily take a life. So, until I am certified to use such a thing (IF I am ever certified!) then that thing will just be a neat keychain device. Nice find though! :)

[deeker]

What he said--and ow!

As opposed to... 'dead'?

If you have the knowledge and ability to use a trach. device, why not. My wife is a Resp. Therapist and has plenty of experience with that stuff. Me - not so much in my line of work!! :help:

[Deaths Head]

Now I have seen it all! That is some EDC to have. O0

[bpa]

I believe that I have just found the limit of how prepared I want to be. :(

[scríbhneoir]

"As opposed to... 'dead'"

It was not intended to be a flippant comment.* If I were in the situation where someone found it necessary to perform such an action on me, I am pretty sure I wouldn't complain. But simply looking at it as I would any other medical instrument, like needles, scalpels, etc., ow.

"If you have the knowledge and ability to use a trach. device, why not."

Absolutely, and I do not have either, thus I don't believe it would be appropriate for my edc--yet for others, most applicable. It might even be something someone might want to have in their car edc. :)

[RyanMalpiede]

i think that might make a good self defense weapon, had my CC ready too till I saw the $135 price tag .... awwwww to be rich!

[pipedreams]

I'll think I'll stick to the old trach stand-by...the SAK and a ballpoint pen body! :laugh:

todd

[Evolute]

That's a nifty device, but not for me. For me to EDC this emergency airway device would be akin to me EDCing an articifical heart on the off-chance that I may need to perform an emergency heart transplant. The need is rare, and using it safely is beyond my area of expertise.

Mike

www.mikespinak.com

[deeker]

scríbhneoir
I didn't take your comment as flippant at all. It would be pretty tough for a lot of people to poke a hole in someone's throat!

I trust no offense was taken by my post. None was intended. I was suggesting that the person who you are aiding might be kept alive, despite the 'Eeeewww!' factor. It is amazing what we can tolerate when we are involved in an emergency situation. Things that would normally make us turn green are ignored as we focus on what care we can provide.

Certainly some training would be needed to be comfortable inserting a trach device. Not likely an EDC type of device for most of us, but maybe carried in the car FAK, as you said.

[Deaths Head]

Just clicked on the image. That EDC costs $135. It will be worth it when the situation arises.

[scríbhneoir]

scríbhneoir
I didn't take your comment as flippant at all.* It would be pretty tough for a lot of people to poke a hole in someone's throat!

I trust no offense was taken by my post.* None was intended.* I was suggesting that the person who you are aiding might be kept alive, despite the 'Eeeewww!' factor.* It is amazing what we can tolerate when we are involved in an emergency situation.* Things that would normally make us turn green are ignored as we focus on what care we can provide.*

Certainly some training would be needed to be comfortable inserting a trach device.* Not likely an EDC type of device for most of us, but maybe carried in the car FAK, as you said.


No offense taken at all. :)

[pipedreams]

You kids play together so well! This is such a great forum to moderate!

todd

[Sean H]

Except for the situation mentioned here, the only other time I'd be poking a hole in anyone's throat would be when I ABSOLUTELY did NOT want them to be recovering.

Know what I'm saying? ;D

[M.TEX]

Hello Folks


I've completed the adult and child CPR & AED and they don't want anybody
doing such thing* *:tickedoff:* unless you are a Medic or have some advanced skills.

But if you are in a place where you can't get medical help ASAP them I would do it.

[Gadget Guy]

Come on M.Tex, it is just another cool gadget to have on your keychain. For $135, I will have to pass... :laugh:

GG

[M.TEX]

Hello


For $135, I will have to pass... :laugh:

GG
You're not the only on.... :-X

[Gerard Breuker]

But for the price I would have bought one immediately. Although this procedure can be done with a knife and some kind of tube it is far easier this way. I am sure it could be made for half the price.

[Gadget Guy]

Peter, do you have any interest in making one? :lolhammer: I'll take a 3V steel version. :laugh: :laugh:

[foxy]

As an EMT-B w/ ACLS/Advanced Airway I will tell you that the only persons "qualified" to use such a device in a pre-hospital setting are physicians (MDs and DOs) Advanced airway is not a part of EMT-B protocols, but it is a part of Paramedic (EMT-P) protocols, however even a paramedic cannot use advanced life support when not on duty, and cannot use anything while on duty (like this device) that isnt signed off on by the medical director and included in protocols.

That being said, if its a friend or family member and litigation isnt an issue, then I would still suggest at least an EMT-B level of knowledge because its not only important to know how to use, but also when to and when not to use it. If the airway is patent then this device is not necessary and theres much simplier less invasive techniques to open and maintain an airway.

Also this device will provide only an extremely small amount of airflow, and unless you happen to have a portable oxygen tank to hook this up to, you are going to get hardly any air flow through it.

The same $135 device could be made from an unsterile 14,16, or 18 gauge catether wrapped in electrical tape and attached to your keyring (the $135 version isnt sterile either)

Even if you argue that its for last ditch no resort no options, you still need to have some medical training or license to justify using it, because in court, your actions will be scrutinized. If you had medical training, you could say in court, "The patient was apenic, appeared cyanotic, presented with decreased cap refill and tachycardic. After numerous attempts to open the airway with BLS techniques, the patient remained apneic and became brady cardic. It is my professional opinion that the patient intially was in compensated shock and quickly decomponsated. The brain can only sustain itself for 5 minutes without oxygen so the patient's only hope at survival was to perform a surgical airway. I am educated in anatomy and physiology so I was able to palpate the cricoid cartilage and avoid lacerating blood vessels while attempting to enter the trachea."

No offense but if you didnt completely understand that above paragraph then please dont carry one of these devices.

[Deaths Head]

That's right. A 16 guage IV catheter would work. The are free at the hospitals I work. O0

[Gadget Guy]

Wow! I'll stay far away from that thing... Still looks cool though. :lolhammer:

[Loandr.]

That along with my "Keyring Self-Amputaion" Kit, and my "Matchbook defibulator" that runs off a CR123... and Im good to go :-), LOL, actually a really interesting item and on the go concept! Thanks for sharing :highfive:

Loandr.

[Deaths Head]

That along with my "Keyring Self-Amputaion" Kit, and my "Matchbook defibulator" that runs off a CR123... and Im good to go :-), LOL,* actually a really interesting item and on the go concept! Thanks for sharing :highfive:

Loandr.

You're a riot! :laugh:

[pipedreams]

Keyring Self-Amputaion Kit= SAK with saw. :laugh:

todd

[RoninPimp]

I'm all for being prepared, but that's a bit silly to carry around imo.

[Gadget Guy]

Keyring Self-Amputaion Kit= SAK with saw.* :laugh:

todd


Now that is funny! :laugh: :laugh: :D

[Loandr.]

Again thanks for sharing weither applicable or not to each of our eveyday lives, its GOOD to know what options we have out there, its all about sharing the knowledge O0 Thanks, with that said would make a kick *** imprompt drinking straw for when they forget one at the drive through! :-X

[pipedreams]

This thread has ALMOST gone bad several times. Locking it for now.
todd the mod