PDA

View Full Version : Rohrbaugh Ultra Compact 9x19



JonSidneyB
04-17-2006, 11:18 AM
I have seen one of these pistols at the ShotShow but have never handled one. I went to the Rohrbaugh forum seeking information on this firearm, Chris, the admin for that forum was kind enough to provide a write up on this gun.

Below is the information he emailed me. I have been a bit slow at getting this posted, sorry for the delay in getting this up Chris.

The Rohrbaugh R9


http://www.acbsystems.com/boards/thr/cb_gun2/r9both-ammo-918b-s.jpg


I am not affiliated in any way with Rohrbaugh Firearms but am an enthusiastic owner of two of these fine guns.* I have spent some time evaluating and testing over the last two years, in part to help others who are either prospective buyers or new owners.* My small FAQ site (http://www.acbsystems.com/boards/rohrbaugh/) has some observations and links to tests, plus a few explanations of various proceedures like takedown.* There are many useful images there.* For me the gun is more often ''BUG'' category than primary but it stands up well to being primary when circumstances dictate and carry size options are limited.

The R9 is a finely engineered pocket firearm with high tolerancing in its construction, and is on the edge of its potential with caliber designation, which is 9mm Parabellum - standard pressure.* To achieve this cannot have been easy and yet the end result is a double-action-only auto loader, with an innovative trigger design which gives a butter-smooth 7lb pull.* It uses a locked breech principle with a* 2.9" barrel and has a capacity of 6+1 rounds.*

Originally made at the Farmingdale NY factory it now is produced at Deer Park NY over the last year or so, and slides are marked with the factory of origin.* The early guns such as my examples were all silver finish with blue carbon fiber grips but now things have moved on toward a dark grey frame and black grips, those being changed now from carbon fiber to G-10 polymeric compound.* Slides are manufactured from 17-4 stainless steel, the frames from aircraft grade 7075 aluminum.* In the future we may expect to see the slides also coming out in a black finish.* A relatively recent innovation has also been a treatment by Smith and Wesson to impart a partially self-lubing finish.

The gun is available with or without sights - I chose to go with the sights which, tho relatively rudimentary and fixed, do for me provide a measure of improved sighting when time permits.* However, the advantage is quite small and some people might prefer the sleek and smooth line atop the slide by not having them - after all the gun is more for point shooting when considered in its potential combat role.

One thing missing is a slide-lock lever which does preclude being able to keep the slide locked back or enjoy the benefit of slide lock after the last round is fired.* The reasoning here is simple - to keep the gun uncluttered, slim and sleek - no protruding excrescences are present - less to snag in the pocket.* This does make take-down a bit harder but over time many of us owners have found ways to get around that and there are details on my FAQ site dealing with this subject.

One concession that does merit some explanation is the use of a large freebore, that being 0.250" - the reason being to allow a small time period for peak pressure to diminish before the bullet engraving process begins.* The 9mm is by its nature a high pressure round.* One potential downside of this requirement is that on occasions and with some ammunition, it has been noticed that bullet tumbling is evident by slight keyholing in a target.* This does not adversely affect accuracy but has worried some people.* I do not fret about this as the phenomenon is mild and does not prejudice the gun's primary function, which is that of a highly concealable close quarters defence weapon.

Is the gun easy or comfortable to shoot?* Well easy yes but not overly comfortable simply due to its diminutive size and mere 12.8 ounce weight (dry) - or about 17 ounce fully loaded.* That said, it is in my opinion very possible to develop a grip that suits and controls the gun and so avoid ''limp wristing'', something that can occur on small and lightweight semi's.* To go this small we have to accept some trade-offs.

Longer range accuracy is very good considering the gun's size and there is a Video of Karl Rohrbaugh (http://www.thingameez.com/vid-download/r9-karl-demo.wmv) demonstrating the gun, where he hits steel at about 25 yards.* Pretty good!* Obviously tho we are talking more ''close-up-and-personal'' most times - this is primarily a close-quarters defence weapon.

So - there we have it.* A fine piece of engineering, in fact to all intents a custom gun every time one comes out of the factory.* The amount of hands-on time during the gun's gestation is considerable.* Being somewhat a thorobred does however mean that it can be a bit picky over ammunition and I suggest to anyone early on that they try several brands of ammo' to find what suits their gun ideally.* For me Gold Dots come out tops but others may find Silvertips better.

One thing this gun is not, is a ''range plinker''.* While it is actually a tough gun its purpose is not recreational and we have to remember the ''cutting edge'' nature of its design and construction for the caliber.* To keep it running well does require good maintainance with clean/lube routines every 50 rounds or so - it will not generally like too much crud.* Furthermore the recoil main spring is recommended to be changed every 250 rounds.

I hope this helps provide a general picture of what this gun is all about and again suggest a visit to my FAQ site (http://www.acbsystems.com/boards/rohrbaugh/) to explore various aspects in more detail.

TKC
04-21-2006, 11:56 AM
I can not tell you how baaaaaaaaaaad I want one of those!! I wish they were MA. compliant!!!

kerrynp5
04-25-2006, 12:02 PM
I've had my R9 for more than a year. It is absolutely the best front pocket gun made.
I waited 9 months for my pistol. Believe me, its cheap for the price !
Kerry

Codeman
04-25-2006, 12:40 PM
I can not tell you how baaaaaaaaaaad* I want one of those!! I wish they were MA. compliant!!!


Maybe it's MA that needs to be more compliant!

[Member exiting politics-mode]

Hey, Jon.* Using standard power ammo, is the perceived recoil greater or less than that of a full-size .45ACP using standard power ammo?* Just trying to get a feel for it.* What I'm asking for can probably be better described as perceived controllability.

I've always avoid the tiny guns for two reasons - calibers were generally useless from SD standpoint and I can usually only get 2 fingers around the grip.* Having a 9mm solves one of those problems.* As you pointed out though, the other is a compromise.

ckamp
04-25-2006, 09:58 PM
This is my R9. It is a nice shooting gun for a small 9mm.It is accurate, and it is not painful to shoot.
I do feel it just a tad to large for pocket carry, but it is not out of the question.
I have a nice pocket holster , and a paddle holster for the R9.I always have my Seecamp 380 in my pocket.

http://www.fototime.com/9213506CC5F2B5D/standard.jpg

TKC
04-27-2006, 12:00 PM
Yes, I agree that MA. NEEDS to be more compliant, but I don't see THAT happening anytime soon, so you?

Jim101
04-27-2006, 01:07 PM
Kel-Tel just released a new 9mm that is about the same size as the KT .380, the price at a Gun Show should be ~$250......Not a bad little gun, I have a KT .32that I really like......The R9 is a great gun, but at ~$900 is a little out of my league....

Jim

JonSidneyB
04-27-2006, 01:21 PM
I really don't know the recoil on these as I do not have one. I just find them intereting and thought I would try and get some talk started about them here as I think they are an edc class gun. Maybe one day I will own one and be able to give first hand info on them.

TKC
04-27-2006, 09:34 PM
I can not tell you how BAD I want a Rohrbaugh!!

erh
05-02-2006, 08:58 AM
I really like mine too..!
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g102/1erh/DSCN1470.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g102/1erh/DSCN1473.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g102/1erh/DSCN1477.jpg

Eric Howland
Savannah, GA. :D

Jim101
05-02-2006, 09:47 AM
Eric,

Is that pocket holster by Ron Graham?

Jim

erh
05-03-2006, 09:00 AM
I've had my R9 for more than a year. It is absolutely the best front pocket gun made.
I waited 9 months for my pistol. Believe me, its cheap for the price !
Kerry


You lost me with "Believe me, it's cheap for the price!"

Eric :-\

erh
05-03-2006, 09:05 AM
Eric,

Is that pocket holster by Ron Graham?

Jim

Hi Jim,
Yes, this is a Mahogany "Kentucky" w/ the proper fillin's..!
My other Ron Graham's are "Twin Peaks"; really like his products
& both he (Ron) & Ross (Sales) @ www.palehorseholsters.com
are great guys in general. Thanks for asking,


Eric Howland
Savannah, GA.

Jim101
05-03-2006, 12:09 PM
eric,


Thought so.......I have (4) of Ron's holsters, best on the market..

Jim

erh
05-03-2006, 02:34 PM
eric,


Thought so.......I have (4) of Ron's holsters, best on the market..

Jim


I tend to highly agree, but do have a "Spot in my Heart"
for the works of RJ Hedley as well!

Eric ;)

adorable_harree
07-03-2007, 04:33 AM
Gotta get out of the house and play lotto...

TKC
07-03-2007, 07:37 PM
I read an article that compared a Kahr 9mm (I can not remembered which model) to a Rohrbaugh; and they said the Kahr was a better gun.

Lugsalot
07-04-2007, 12:25 AM
I read an article that compared a Kahr 9mm (I can not remembered which model) to a Rohrbaugh; and they said the Kahr was a better gun.


Was it this (http://www.kahr.com/review_gtc_0804.html) Gun-Tests article?

EDIT: My quick search yielded a copy of the Gun-Tests article that was posted on Kahr's site! Not surprising, considering the fact that Kahr's PM9 came out on top of things in their T&E! :rolleyes:

TKC
07-04-2007, 11:36 AM
Yeah, I guess that is it. LOL, yeah, no wonder the Kahr cam out on top!!! I didn't get it off the Kahr site, and did not realize that it was posted there.
I would like to read an unbiased article on the two.

Lugsalot
07-04-2007, 11:43 AM
From what I hear, Gun-Tests is a very unbiased publication. They are pretty fair in their assessment of the two pistols, and don't over-emphasize the Rohrbaugh's shortcomings while downplaying it's virtues.
The Rohrbaugh is more concealable, lighter and has excellent fit and finish. The Kahr has a better trigger, sights and ergonomics, as well as an extra magazine (the Rohrbaugh came with one only). The author of the article considers both pistols overpriced, which is an interesting comment; no mention of what price he thinks is fair.

Anyway, it's not surprising that the review ended up on Kahr's page, though, considering the outcome.

TKC
07-05-2007, 02:10 PM
I happen to be a huge Kahr fan myself. The Rohrbaugh looks like a cool gun. I wish it was MA. complaint though.

sambeaux
07-22-2007, 10:43 PM
I looked pretty hard at the Rohrbaughs a while back ( as in when the waiting list was still 6-9 months ). I bought two
Kahrs for what a Rohrbaugh costs. I love both of my Kahrs. The pistols look great, but there were a couple of turnoffs:

Rudimentary sights ( or NO sights )
Can't shoot +p at all
Heel magazine release
Waiting list
High price

Since then, I've heard that the trigger pull isn't great, and it's not as accurate as the Kahr. OTOH, I've heard of reliability
problems with Kahr's PM9 ( which I've not experienced, btw ). The Kahrs are slightly bigger and slightly heavier, but have
MUCH better sights and are more accurate. Neither is a bad choice, but I prefer my Kahrs...

Sam