10mm?

[xDANx]

Anyone have one? They are supposed to be more powerful than the .45

[BigAssDiesel]

I own a Glock 20 it is a big gun and hits hard. I love the 10mm round and wish more gunmakers would make more guns and ammo for it. Ammo is tough to find for me here in Massachusetts. My last purchase was a Sig P239 in .357 Sig. It has great ballistics and I would rather carry that than a .45. My first choice is the Glock 20 but in the summer it is tought to carry concealed.

[Bravo 25]

I have been looking into a 10mm. I have a delima to solve first though. I have a 1911-A1, and a Glock 23. I shoot better with the 1911, especially on double taps. The Glock points more naturally for me. So until I can find the happy medium I don't want to spend the money on a new pistol.

I have read that the10mm really needs to hand loaded to get up to full potential. It is really the least caliber I would feel comfortable with in bear country, but for now my .45, or .40 will have to do.

[dbeeksci]

IMHO, in a self defence position with a pistol, it's not about bigger loads as much as it's about training, trigger control, sight picture, accuracy and knowing how and when to use your pistol. A 10mm .40 or .45 shoulder or gut shot may not stop a crazed assailant as well as a head shot with....well, just about anything, including a rock :buck2:. I'll stick with my Glock .40 and lots of training. O0

[xDANx]

IMHO, in a self defence position with a pistol, it's not about bigger loads as much as it's about training, trigger control, sight picture, accuracy and knowing how and when to use your pistol. A 10mm .40 or .45 shoulder or gut shot may not stop a crazed assailant as well as a head shot with....well, just about anything, including a rock :buck2:. I'll stick with my Glock .40 and lots of training. O0


Then why doesn't the military just use .22's instead of .223 and .308's?

I have a Glock 17 (9mm) it is great but I would like something with more power. Besides, I'm not going to shoot anyone, I live California :tickedoff: I would be in as much trouble as the guy I shot.

[dbeeksci]

You don't understand the point I was trying to make and excuse me if I wasn't clear :-\.* The point is, tactical handgunning is about training for accuracy first. If you can't hit a target at 15-25 yards, what's the point in discussing size of bullet ????

The military does use a light load.... it's called the 9mm and a lot of our troops wish they had a .40 or a .45. And the .223 is a poodle shooter as well. We have Iraqi BG's coming back to the lines with little scars all over them.... >:( The 308 and tactical shotgun is the only way to go :buck2:.

As a trainer, I see people at the range ALL THE TIME, with their new large caliber handguns trying to learn accuracy, some of them even trying to qualify for CCW :'(. For many of them, if they really want to learn, I suggest they pack up their .45 and get .22. They learn the same trigger control and the same basics as applied to any handgun.

Shooting IDPA is more fun yet. In tactical shoots where there's stages with moving targets and timed sequences you get to shoot with some real good shooters. If you want to learn accuracy you have to practice, a lot; once you are consistently hitting a target, THEN it's time to look at the caliber options. IMHO O0

[Bravo 25]

I would certainly have to agree with learning the basics with a 22. I wish I had started that way. I could have shot 10,000 rounds for the last 1000 that I shot. There is a saying. It is not the fastest, or the most accurate that wins in a gun fight. It is the most willing. Translation, the mental aspect comes first. Following that would be accuracy, then speed. It is a lot less expensive to learn accuracy, and speed with .22 than the larger calibers.

[tenmmike]

i got one, delta elite in SS, love it ,see my name....iv had this one with a few spring changes along with a barrel change or 2 sinnce they came out SN DS03288,

[tenmmike]

I have been looking into a 10mm. I have a delima to solve first though. I have a 1911-A1, and a Glock 23. I shoot better with the 1911, especially on double taps. The Glock points more naturally for me. So until I can find the happy medium I don't want to spend the money on a new pistol.

I have read that the10mm really needs to hand loaded to get up to full potential. It is really the least caliber I would feel comfortable with in bear country, but for now my .45, or .40 will have to do.
that doesnt make any sence,* damn near any factory load of 10 mm will out do a .40 cal , the .40 cal is the runt of the 10mm, 10mm= longercase/ more powder and rifle primer and .40 cal= pistol primer,* smaller case less vel.
if you get a hot loaded .45 like a +p+ your starting to get to a nice level . good luck, have fun, 10mm is a VERY nice round
btw a hot 10mm is near but under a 41mag in power

[Sharpdogs]

I have a Colt Delta Elite in 10mm and it came with 40 cal conversion. I only shot it once in 10mm and never in 40 cal. I bought for more of collectors piece than a shooter.

[erh]

IMHO, in a self defence position with a pistol, it's not about bigger loads as much as it's about training, trigger control, sight picture, accuracy and knowing how and when to use your pistol. A 10mm .40 or .45 shoulder or gut shot may not stop a crazed assailant as well as a head shot with....well, just about anything, including a rock :buck2:. I'll stick with my Glock .40 and lots of training. O0

Well said. In addition to these statements, please take into consideration that the venerable 10mm is a well known "Over-Penetrator" (IMHO) not a "Super" feature for a defensive pistol. I do however love the round; I only tend to use it's "Shorter" brother more often, The .40 S&W round.
Just my .02 cents.

Eric Howland
Savannah, GA.

[0dBm]

Anyone have one? They are supposed to be more powerful than the .45


Yes, I've owned a few.* The Glock, check.* The Colt Delta Elite, check.* The "original," check.

Huh you say?! Original what?!

The one that started it all; commercially anyway.* The one that Col. Jeff Cooper ballyhooed about.* The one that Detective Sergeant James "Sonny" Crockett carried after he initially carried the Sig 220 .45.

Yes, the Bren Ten.* Had one also.* Dammitmohn, shoulda kept it.* Probably collectors by now.* *Kick me. >:(

[Makarov]

The one that started it all; commercially anyway. The one that Col. Jeff Cooper ballyhooed about. The one that Detective Sergeant James "Sonny" Crockett carried after he initially carried the Sig 220 .45.

Yes, the Bren Ten. Had one also. Dammitmohn, shoulda kept it. Probably collectors by now. Kick me. >:(

Did you have the licenced crappy version or the "real" Bren Ten?
I've read about the Bren Ten, and about how the first licenced version really killed the concept because it was poorly built, and that some people got their guns delivered without magazines etc.

I've handled the Glock and the 10mm S&W revolver, but never shot a 10mm myself.

[Lee1959]

The 10MM was a good concept, and a good cartridge that suffered from some problems that caused it to be relegated to the same status as the .41 Magnum, semi-curiosity status for most shooters and a small but dedicated almost cult following. None of which helps it much when it comes ot finding factory loads in most places, which hurts its popularity a lot also. Most people prefer a cartridge that you can find factory loads for in almost any little podunk gas station.

With the .40 now taking the FBI and some other police agencies that had looked at the 10MM , and the resurgance of military special unit interest in the .45 acp in more modern firearms I doubt it will ever get much better for the old 10. Most new rounds like the 357 Sig, and others will most likely end up suffering the same fate. For whatever fickle reason some cartridges are accepted and some not. The .45 and 9MM have places locked tight, and the .40 has become the new midrgane autopistol round that has been accepted, there really is not a whole lot of room left for other new rounds, and I would bet none really make it that big.

It is like the .480 Ruger, and the new S&W cartridges, initial popularity, but then they sort of wane and die off because they really dont hit the consumer like the .44 mag, .45 LC, and .357 magnum.

Just my opinion.

[0dBm]

Did you have the licenced crappy version or the "real" Bren Ten?

Flashback to 1986.* Reagan was in office.* Miami Vice was the hottest thing on Network TV.* Pat Robertson was still considering running for "Traveler."

A guy named "Dennis," a career Army officer, 0-5 and Nam vet, was retiring.* He was also recently divorced.* His wife cleaned him out financiallly.* She took everything except his 5 year-old Toyota, clothes, and the other half of his pension.

He needed a place to stay.* He did not want to rent.* He contacted an old friend who did fairly well in real estate.* He asked his friend to buy a small townhouse from him with minimal down payment.* The only thing that he could put down for earnest money deposit was his personal carry piece; a Bren Ten 10mm Semi-Auto pistol made by Dornhaus & Dixon.

The realtor was my dad.* The purchase took place.* My dad did not want the pistol.* He gave it to me.*

I put 50 rounds of 170-grain FMJ though it.* I cannot remember the brand.* The experience was not pleasant.* I cleaned the pistol and placed it back in the nice wooden presentation case.* I remember that it had been fired before I shot it.

The pistol came with 2 magazines.* I remember that it looked like it was pretty well made, however it had several sharp edges that was not to my liking.* It also had a 3 digit serial number.* I had no use for it.* I was very much into my blued, 6-inch Colt Phython (made in the 50s) during that time.

"Dennis" asked to buy it back in 1988 when he got back on his feet.* I sold it back to him for $500.

I truly do not know if it was the "real" thing.* It certainly fired quite authentically! :laugh:

[BigAssDiesel]

Most new rounds like the 357 Sig, and others will most likely end up suffering the same fate. For whatever fickle reason some cartridges are accepted and some not.

I do not think the 357 Sig round will go away. It is current issue to the Secret Service, Air Marshals and numerous state police agencies.

[Lee1959]

do not think the 357 Sig round will go away. It is current issue to the Secret Service, Air Marshals and numerous state police agencies.

Perhaps, we shall see, but unless it comes out and goes wild in popularity, most new rounds end up dying off to at best a trickle of other stalwarts in sales. Eventually loadings disappear to a bare few, and guns chambered for the round get fewer and fewer. A very good indicator of how popular a round becomes is how many out of way places you find ammunition for a caliber and how many factory loadings come out and stay out after say a decade of it being out. We shall see how the .357 Sig fares in longevity in a few years.

[Makarov]

Decided to Google the Bren Ten just for fun, and found this article on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bren_Ten). Seems like I've *ahem* mixed up some of my *ahem* facts on the Bren Ten.
It had problems with the magazines, they didn't work or wasn't there at all, and that this combined with the fact that the gun had several QC issues became the downfall of the company.
My mixup is that I thought that the Bren was originally a European gun that was made on licence in the US, with horrible results. Guess I should have checked Wikipedia first...

Now the enigma is, what gun did I think of????

[CanDo]

noo, the beauty with wikipedia is that you're never wrong. instead of pointing out a mistake, just edit the article to agree with you :D ;D

[Codeman]

The biggest impact that the 10mm has had was to bring about the introduction of the .40S&W, as some of you obviously know.* But for those thay may not know the story...if I remember correctly...

When the FBI was evaluating the 10mm, over-penetration became a serious issue.* To solve this, they cut down the powder load in the 10mm.* The reduced powder load meant that the case could be shortened, so that's what S&W did.* They then re-named the shortened cartridge to .40S&W.* That was a smart move because it isolated the negative press associated with the 10mm's overpenetration from impacting the new version.

If anyone's interested, there is a good thread on this over on Glock Talk (http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=8eebef10bc697384c74a37a19fdb3b98&threadid=501180).

[Codeman]

Decided to Google the Bren Ten just for fun, and found this article on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bren_Ten). Seems like I've *ahem* mixed up some of my *ahem* facts on the Bren Ten.
It had problems with the magazines, they didn't work or wasn't there at all, and that this combined with the fact that the gun had several QC issues became the downfall of the company.
My mixup is that I thought that the Bren was originally a European gun that was made on licence in the US, with horrible results. Guess I should have checked Wikipedia first...

Now the enigma is, what gun did I think of????



Yeah.* I thought the Bren was originally designed and built by some local folks in East Tennessee, so now I'm wondering what gun I'm thinking of.* It's not Barrett, because they're still do a bit of business over in middle Tennessee.

The Bren you may be thinking of was a machine gun originally developed in Czechoslovakia in 1937.* I think Enfield in the UK also produced them, maybe others.

[Lee1959]

Dornaius and Dixon orginally built the ill fated Bren Ten under development help/consultation with Jeff Cooper as I remember it. As far as other failed pistols I remember there was Lee Juras and the original Automags, but I think that was in California. And quality was not ever their issue, expensive production (was one of the first Stainless steel pistols and it was all handmade basically) and hard to find expensive ammunition were their biggest problems. Hmmm will have to search my tired old brain and see what others I can remember.

There was the Gyrojet, the rocket pistol and rifle which was a huge flop.

[Codeman]

There's a ton of info over on BREN-TEN.com (http://nordicg3k.tripod.com/).

[0dBm]

Dornaius(sp) and Dixon orginally built the ill fated Bren Ten under development help/consultation with Jeff Cooper.

I wasn't a big fan when this pistol was introduced, but I did enjoy reading about it from both Jeff Cooper and Massad Ayoob's writings then.



...the original Automags, but I think that was in California.
The Automags were produced by Arcadia Machine and Tool, Inc. (AMT) of Arcadia, CA under the helm of the late Harry Sanford. Upon financial problems, AMT was purchased and became Irwindale Arms, Inc. (IWI) of Irwindale, CA.

AMT/IWI produced such pistols as the SA Backup .380, DAO .45 (I have one and described it in another thread), .45 Hardballer (1911 clone), and a hunting pistol called Javalena. I have never handled or even held one of the orignal Automags and cannot atest to their quality and workmanship. I owned the .380, still own the DAO .45, and have fired several of the Hardballers and Javalenas. They had some QA issues.

It took several hundred dollars to make the DAO .45 reliable and shootable. I will never part with this pocket howitzer.

I visited the factory in 1999 shortly before they went under. It was disheveled.


Back OT.

I fired one of the FBI's S&W Model 1076 with the 180-grain cartidges in the early 90s. It was like holding on to a box of Wheaties firing .41 Magnums. During the 50 rounds that I put through it, I kept wishing for a longer barrel and better grips.

[Lee1959]

You are quite right after more thought upon it, Lee Juras was a distributor of the Automag and I believe owner of SuperVel Ammunition which was the only producer of the ammunition for the automag at that time. But I believe it was AMC, Automag Corporation who was the first manufacturer and then they went bankrupt. Hi Standard I believe made or had a few made and sold under their name, and then AMT bought it out and made the remainders. They also have used the Autmag name to sell .30 carbine and .22 magnum "Automags" which have very little to do with the original design.

Dang its been a long time since reading those Guns and ammos way back then when these things came out.

Like you, I fired a 10MM , I believe it was a Colt, and it was not a pleasant experience, I would rather shoot my .44 magnum any day.

[0dBm]

I believe it was a Colt

That pistol was the Delta Elite on the 1911 frame.

Although Colt did some beeffing upon it, it was likely still not up to the battering that the Standard 10mm SAMMI pressures gave. I had mine fitted with a Bar-Sto barrel, and W.D.Birdsong's "Black T" external finish along with about another dozen aftermarket parts before I grew weary of firing the damn thing and sold it.

[kamkazmoto]

Guess I should have checked Wikipedia first...Now the enigma is, what gun did I think of????

You are probably thinking of the CZ57 (?) which is the gun the Bren 10 is based on.

[Lee1959]

You are probably thinking of the CZ57 (?) which is the gun the Bren 10 is based on.

I think you mean the CZ75, and I doubt he is thinking of that one, it is one of the most successful pistol designs existing, originally coming from the Czech republic and has never been a disaster.

[Makarov]

I think you mean the CZ75, and I doubt he is thinking of that one, it is one of the most successful pistol designs existing, originally coming from the Czech republic and has never been a disaster.

Nope, Lee is right.

I just remember I read an article about a gun that was originally developed by a european country, and that they licenced it out to a US company that made crappy versions. They went out of buisness and the original manufacturer started to sell their version in the US instead. The problem was that even though this was a good gun, the name was already tarnished by the licenced versions, so the gun flopped.

IIRC the article sang the praise of the "original", and how the world had lost a good gun.

[0dBm]

The original CZ-75 was a finely finished pistol. I never owned or fired one so I cannot comment on the functionality.

I believe a CZ-76 was also made.

[Lee1959]

There a a number of pistols based upon the CZ design being sold by different manufacturers. My EAA Witness is one, I picked it up for a song, and it is a real shooter. Perhaps the best shooting .45 ACP I have ever owned or shot, it is soft shooting. My 12 year old nephew even liked shooting that one over a .22 revolver.

CZs are still sold, they now have some small compact versions of the original CZ desgn, one is called the RAMI I think.

One of the design features I like in the CZ design is the DA/SA versatility along with the cocked and locked option, takedown is a breeze, accomplished in about 1 minute.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/patycake21/CCWpistols.jpg

[Yablanowitz]

The reason for the "Fed Lite" 10mm was not overpenatration. The problem was twofold: the large frame guns the cartridge fits were too big for people with small hands, and the stiff recoil from full power loads made training difficult. Once they downloaded it, the cartridge was easily supplanted by the .40 S&W. The 10mm will do anything the .40 will except fit in a 9mm size gun. The .40 cannot match the power of the 10mm, which in some factory loads is VERY close to the .41 Magnum. And yes, it can be handloaded past factory specs easily and safely. I have put more than 10,000 rounds of IPSC Major loads through my Glock 20. I have shot it side by side with my Glock 21, and shot consistantly better scores with the 10mm than the .45ACP. Let it be noted that I am not recoil sensitive (I have set up IPSC matches for a local club with all paper targets so I could use my Desert Eagle .44 Mag - love that gun ;D) and the 10mm is not for the timid. In shooting 10 and .40 Glocks side by side, the .40 seems to me to have a sharper recoil impulse than the 10, but that is entirely subjective.
Overall, the Glock 20 is my favorite handgun, and with a pre-Clinton mag with a +2 floorplate and one in the chamber, I have 18 full power Silvertips on tap. If you don't think that is a comfort, you've never seen my neighborhood.

[oceanbeamer]

I agree with Yablanowitz,,owned a wyoming arms 10mm long slide with adjustable millit sites that shot like a dream.[wyoming went under sadly enough.] But the tanfoglio witness in 10mm is imported by EAA. And several friends in the F.B.I. have stated that this round which was developed after the disastrous [for the fbi]shoutout in Miami fl. was downgraded to the what was called at the time the 40 shorty or less complimentary fbi wimp round was requested not because of over penetration but, "because female fbi agents were unable to handle the recoil and or qualify with this caliber.The eaa witness also uses "the Italian lego concept,easier on the steel models to easily convert to 40sw.[$100.00] for the necessary parts....because of the grip design theres never any hammer bite,,which is nice at this power level..

[Yablanowitz]

Yes, it was primarily a problem with female agents. I was attempting to be polite and politically correct ;D.

I also admit that they were correct about the problems. The 10mm is not for everyone. I consider it to be for the dedicated only. Frankly, most law enforcement officers do not fall into that catagory. Most (not all, but more than half) view their sidearm as just another piece of gear they have to lug around. The majority of officers I have known view periodic requalification as a pain in the neck, and they will practice just enough to pass when it rolls around. They may not shoot again for 5 months, until they have to get ready to requal again.

The 10mm requires more dedication than that to master, especially with full power loads. If your hands are too small to grip the gun properly, or if your wrists are weak, or if you are sensitive to recoil or muzzle blast, you will develop flinch in short order. Full power loads in the steel framed pistol the FBI selected can be brutal. So rather than increasing their training budget and requiring agents to put forth the effort to master the piece, they took the easy way out. They downloaded it to make it easier to handle.

It didn't take long to match the ballistics of the "Fed Lite" load in a round short enough to cycle in a 9mm sized gun, and the .40 S&W was born. As I pointed out to fellow IPSC shooters, the big difference is, they had to load their .40 UP to make major, and I loaded my 10 DOWN to major. They were also shocked a couple of times when I ran full power rounds just to show them what I meant ;)

[a35335]

"(I have set up IPSC matches for a local club with all paper targets so I could use my Desert Eagle .44 Mag - love that gun Grin) "

Glad I didn't have to RO you!!! Were there many in your squad? :)

And I thought 9x25 Dillon was obnoxious.............. (and it is........)

R

[Yablanowitz]

"(I have set up IPSC matches for a local club with all paper targets so I could use my Desert Eagle .44 Mag - love that gun Grin) "

Glad I didn't have to RO you!!! Were there many in your squad? :)

And I thought 9x25 Dillon was obnoxious.............. (and it is........)

R


There were about a dozen of us shooting that day, so we went with two squads of six. The Oklahoma State Police trooper who R.O.'d one stage said: "You CAN'T tell me you enjoyed that!" to which I replied: "I wanna do that again!" ;D

If you REALLY want obnoxius, try a near max load in the 10mm with Blue Dot powder and 135gr bullets. When I used those for one stage of a match, there was a mad scramble for ear protection by guys standing 50 feet away! One Army veteran (artillery) who was sitting with his back to the firing line told me the first thing that popped into his mind was "Ma Deuce! Who brought a .50 BMG out here?"

[jamesko]

I think that had the 10mm taken off like they were hoping for it would be more abundant. That is my bigest concern with the 10mm it isn't very available at my local gunshop and I haven't gotten around to reloading. I am using the vertically challanged brother to the 10mm the .40 S&W. I think that it is a great round.
If you are looking at it in a hunting prospective I would have to reccommend going with a revolver in the .41 or simmilar.

Just my .02
kj

[Trekker]

Opps!

Reasons for 10MM
-Loadable from light to full-power
-As powerful if not slightly more than .45 or .357
-15+1 rounds (G20)
-Manageable recoil
-Ammo not as difficult to find as some would have you to think
-If ammo becomes extinct (which it will not) gun becomes a collector's item and value will skyrocket
-You can always drop in a .40 barrel for around $100 if you're worried about finding ammo
-Altogether great round which can be loaded lighter for personal defense, or hot for woods protection

[Bullzaye]

I just remember I read an article about a gun that was originally developed by a european country, and that they licenced it out to a US company that made crappy versions. They went out of buisness and the original manufacturer started to sell their version in the US instead. The problem was that even though this was a good gun, the name was already tarnished by the licenced versions, so the gun flopped.

IIRC the article sang the praise of the "original", and how the world had lost a good gun.

I believe the pistol you're thinking of is the Steyr GB. It was licensed for production in the U.S. by L.E.S. or Rogak, as the Rogak P-18. It was made of stainless steel, and boasted an 18 round 9mm magazine. However, it suffered from poor workmanship. So bad was its manufacturing quality that the leaky gas delay mechanism did not work. Instead, it was made to work as a simple blowback pistol by the addition of fiber buffers around the barrel. Despite good accuracy, the gun gained a reputation for choking on ammunition and earned the derogatory nickname of "Jammatic." If I recall, Rogak only produced 2300 or so of the P-18s. After Rogak ceased production, Steyr produced it as the GB, for "Gas Brake", which refers to the manner in which the gas is tapped from the barrel to retard the opening of the slide until the pressure has dropped. The Steyr GB is a large pistol, but relatively lightweight. They're very accurate, hold 18+1 rounds of 9mm, DA/SA with a slide mounted decocking lever, and mine came standard with night sights, though they're not tritium...just GITD. I have owned one since 1986, and it's a great pistol. I don't fire it much any more, as I prefer to carry my Glocks, and use them much more. Oh, yeah...I have 2 Glock 20s, and they're fantastic! There's nothing quite as impressive as 15 rounds of 10mm on tap. While ammo availability could certainly be much better, these are some of my favorite pistols.
Tim

[johng]

I never liked the 10mm for the somewhat lame reason that my Delta would throw cases about 20 feet and spray them all over the place. My worked over commander practically stacks empties like cord wood so it's just handier to police brass.

[Yablanowitz]

Yeah, I always had to hunt all over a five foot circle to find the empties from my Glock 20 ;)
My compensated Para-Ord/Colt .45 ACP dropped them all by my right foot. It kind of freaked out one guy when he asked what recoil spring I was running and I told him it was a Wolff 24 pound (my ACP loads were a lot hotter than they looked ;D)

[zehnmm]

Hello everyone. I came over to this forum when the CPF forums were down. I have enjoyed visiting here. Might just have to stay a while.

I just want to say that I concur with those like Yablanowitz and Trekker. I have two guns in 10mm auto: Kimber Stainless Target II and a special production Ruger Blackhawk revolver with two cylinders: 10mm auto and 38/40. I also have a Sig P226 in 40SW.

In short, I love the 10mm. (My handle, in fact, is a play on the German number 10 ("zehn") plus mm = 10mm... zehnmm)

I load it anywhere from 40SW rounds to the lower end of 41mag. My Kimber is very accurate; great bowling pin gun. When hiking in the wilderness, I take it with me. Most of the time it resides either in my truck or as my CCW.

As far as whether or not it is fading, I think not. For anyone interested, visit the forums at http://10mmtalk.com/

Regards to all.

[Goldtanker]

Hi zehnmm-

Welcome to EDCF!

Denny

[tvodrd]

Welcome aboard, zehnmm!!

Larry

[TKC]

This thread has been a VERY interesting read!!

Welcome to EDCF zehnmm!!

[Grizzlybear]

Bought an Auto-Ordinace Corp 10mm back in the 91. Ran a bunch of rounds through it until the frame bent. Fantastic round, but the gun it's self couldn't handle the backlash. Should have spent the money an bought the Colt. I, to this day love the 10mm for what it is. I will get another, as there's nothing like it out there. Never tried the 357sig, but the 10 mil will split Apple wood. I could shoot that 10mm better than a Browning Hp 9mm or Colt 45, every day of the week. 10mm rocks for those that can shoot.

[0dBm]

this article on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bren_Ten).

I was just surfing around EDCF and decided to review this thread when I found the link above. I didn't realize that there was such an avid Bren Ten following; enough to have a Wikipedia entry!

[dyyys1]

I'm not saying you're wrong, 0dBm, but I must point out that it doesn't take much to have a Wikipedia entry. :)

[0dBm]

Interesting. I don't know much about that site as I was just introduced to it a mere few days ago. I shall review it further.

[Mwinter]

I LUVVVVV the 10. Huge fan.

I've owned several; currently just a G20 and 2 Deltas that I've had worked on (a lot).

In my mind the 10 is the most versatile autopistol cartridge out there. In light loads, it's a soft shooter with a good track record (lots of folks getting good results from .40cal pills @ 1000fps). Loaded to original specs (or higher!), it's a very capable woods/game gun, with a wide range of bullet types and weights available.

I've carried the Deltas and the G20 on duty and loved 'em. Good old days :rolleyes: I had McNett at DT load me up several thousand molycoated waterproofed 10mm rounds (180gr GDHP @ 1200fps), and a bunch of matched FMJ practice stuff, since most factory loads are either unsuitable for patrol use or don't take advantage of the 10's range and power.

In the 1911 envelope, the cartridge's versatility really shines. As I told my Chief when he asked if I would be carrying a 1911 (he's an ACP fanatic) ..."if I'm limited to just 8 or 9 shots, then I want a round that'll blow a hole in 'em big enough to throw a dead cat through". Hyperbole to be sure, but it got me authorized to carry a 10.

I usually despise recoil, but still love me some 10mm!

[texascarl]

FYI, I see that Midway USA has started to carry Double Tap ammo. The Double Tap company was created to cater to the 10mm crowd, if you don't already reload for the 10mm you'll probably like this stuff. Lots of choices. Check out their hardcast 200 grain wide flat nose for woods carry.

http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/index.php

[Co_Outdoorsman]

I had a face to face encounter with a black bear very recently and had my 10 mike mike in hand... The only problem I had was carrying a flashlight (Surefire 6P) in one hand and the Glock in the other... Thats an easy problem soon to be fixed next time I head to town...

Did I feel under gunned?

No, it was loaded with 15 rounds of Double Tap 10mm 180gr. Speer Gold Dot with Ballistics : 1300fps / 676ft/lbs- out of my Glock 20.

Read the post here...

http://edcforums.com/index.php?topic=11928.0